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Bruv don't mistake kindness for weakness. One of the things i like about the scene is that its got this good attitude, and it aint about being a fassy hole it's about being proper and catching vibes off the music. I aint shook of the grime scene but like many people on this forum i don't get particuarly excited by a 19 year old talking about shanking somones gran. I find it imature and unstimulating. This is opinion and i see the fall of the scene as syptomatic of this negative and unprogressive attitude.
Lets have it right about the nerds comments we're posting on the internet so there is a bit of nerd in us all, u post on two forums so??? And while i'm at it there aint that many great grime MCs, flows are usually weak and lyrics are stale especially when compared with the Soundboys of Saxon Coxone etc... Dubstep dont need that MC ego vibe it needs to be Hosted thats why Poax smacks it. Anyway i'll get off my soap box.
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Rah..Search wrote:Bruv don't mistake kindness for weakness. One of the things i like about the scene is that its got this good attitude, and it aint about being a fassy hole it's about being proper and catching vibes off the music. I aint shook of the grime scene but like many people on this forum i don't get particuarly excited by a 19 year old talking about shanking somones gran. I find it imature and unstimulating. This is opinion and i see the fall of the scene as syptomatic of this negative and unprogressive attitude.Rudeski Damager wrote: I think in truth a lot of you dubstep fans are shook of the grime scene and think that if a bag a man turn up and spray bars on ur set the "Nice Vibes" will be ruined. That is a fair and valid point. Because the last Sidewinder I was at was almost ruined because some children jumped on a hype and had 2 shank a next guy. No one wants that, including the majority of the grime scene. Some of the dubstep raves I have been 2 have been certiified wasteman nerd conventions. A bit of attitude and hype will make dubstep BETTER.
Lets have it right about the nerds comments we're posting on the internet so there is a bit of nerd in us all, u post on two forums so??? And while i'm at it there aint that many great grime MCs, flows are usually weak and lyrics are stale especially when compared with the Soundboys of Saxon Coxone etc... Dubstep dont need that MC ego vibe it needs to be Hosted thats why Poax smacks it. Anyway i'll get off my soap box.
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What 19 yr old MC's are you talking about?
Dee, Foots, Wiley, Skepta, Riko, Flowdan, Kano, Dizzee, Trim, Ghetto, Scorcher etc etc etc.. None of these man are 19. Most of the badman big MCs are not 19. There are a handful. But so what? Does it really matter if man is 16 or 40. If he can spray bars, he can spray bars regardless. All the age talk is stupidness. Even the young MC's can strap bars.. Griminal, Devlin, Little Nasty etc.
What is this fall of the scene? Grime is MOVING right now bruv. Listen to rinse on a Sunday, Listen to Kiss on a Monday. On every pirate, Grime dominates (bar Freeze + Sub).
I never said I liked the voilence in grime, if u looked tru my whole post I was sayin' I hated it and saw Dubsteps point about keeping the good vibes. I'm here 2 discuss these things with people so I'm pleased u replied 2 me, but at least read and try 2understand my whole post like I have urs.
I never said people who post on forums are nerds. I know bare people who post on forums. I said A LOT of the people I SEE at Dubstep raves are Nerds. I've only been FWD 3 times like I said, so I even admitted I might be wrong. I been other raves too though, few in Notts, Leicster and Sheffield. Trusay they are not full of nerds, but they are there.
If u say there ain't many great grime MC's then u are making a good point. There ain't THAT many. But I'm damn sure most grime MCs is better than Crazy D and that is the point I was making. Its all personal taste too, which is why I ain't trying to slew anyone here. In both of my posts I've made sure u lot know that I understand perhaps I don't know as much about this scene as u. And that I understand everyone has different views/personal tastes.
But don't try to tell me about Grime dying and all that dry talk. I've been listening for years, I've been involved in it for years and I still am. The scene is growing despite what all the haters want to say about it. It has huge problems with violence and little yutes on a hype about what ends they are from. But the mature and intelligent people learn to allow those bullshit factors and listen 2 the good.
Peace still, I'm in Uni again 2day so I got internet. That is probably why I am typing so much air
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wot alot of people have 2 remember is in the early dayz the grime boyz didnt wana know about dubstep..like most peoples opinions it wasn't gonna go no where...
now that is obviously not the case, it seems like every tom dick and harry from every other scene wants a piece of the pie.
with regards to grime mc's jumping on dubstep sets, that should be left to the dj's discretion.
in my opinion dub step dont need mc's it does just nicely with big boy host such as crazy and poax.
big up plastician aswell. ( rwd posts )
now that is obviously not the case, it seems like every tom dick and harry from every other scene wants a piece of the pie.
with regards to grime mc's jumping on dubstep sets, that should be left to the dj's discretion.
in my opinion dub step dont need mc's it does just nicely with big boy host such as crazy and poax.
big up plastician aswell. ( rwd posts )
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The reference to the 19yr old talking about shanking is about the mentality of grime MCs lyrics-not the actual age. Its immature full of cartoon violence and an attempt to portray a persona that is genrally untrue. When violence does occur its usually from cowards in peer pressure situations who become a fullfillment of the charactature they attempt to display. The music IS dying sales are down Wiley retiring etc... thats not me wanting it to thats just the way it is. Now i know boyz from Notts and Leicester, St Anns, Meadows, New Parks, Braunstone, Highfields St matthews and there aint no big scene up there and very few pirate stations. In my opinion this is because Grime is subjective to the environment that created it all it does is express the badness that is in our society (like alot of new hip hop) and thats it, how many times can u hear about the same old shit???. If we were to see grime MCs in dubstep then let them come with an adjustment in their violent mentality coz we are dealing with progression here bruv.
i think theres a lot of truth in some of what you say
i think its provoking those responses though cos you're coming at the issue from a negative angle - ie 'i dont rate crazy d, so i want different mcs', rather than just 'i want differen mcs'. cos i guess people here are very sort of protective of the central players. and likewise to say 'the scene could do with more varied types of people in raves' rather than 'raves are full of nerds' would get a better response i reckon. cos i know that i find that a frustrating thing to hear. are 'nerds' so bad? i agree it'd be better to have more different types of people, but why belittle people like that?
but i agree that it'd be good to have more mc's down at fwd, it would definately raise my interest in going down more often. but not just massive crews of nobodies getting passed the mic cos theyre mates with a decent mc - that i reckon it can do without. but skepta tore it up when i saw him down there the other month, he brought a whole next element to the situation, and i'd like to see more of that. likewise selectors. ive been really disappointed to see geeneus move so far away from grime, every time i see him now he just plays more or less straight up dubstep. another reason plasticman smacks it in a club... he mixes it up. i dont mind dmz being mainly/all dubstep, thats their vibe, and i rate that. but fwd is meant to be pushing both side by side, it still claims to be but there is little evidence as far as i can see
i think its provoking those responses though cos you're coming at the issue from a negative angle - ie 'i dont rate crazy d, so i want different mcs', rather than just 'i want differen mcs'. cos i guess people here are very sort of protective of the central players. and likewise to say 'the scene could do with more varied types of people in raves' rather than 'raves are full of nerds' would get a better response i reckon. cos i know that i find that a frustrating thing to hear. are 'nerds' so bad? i agree it'd be better to have more different types of people, but why belittle people like that?
but i agree that it'd be good to have more mc's down at fwd, it would definately raise my interest in going down more often. but not just massive crews of nobodies getting passed the mic cos theyre mates with a decent mc - that i reckon it can do without. but skepta tore it up when i saw him down there the other month, he brought a whole next element to the situation, and i'd like to see more of that. likewise selectors. ive been really disappointed to see geeneus move so far away from grime, every time i see him now he just plays more or less straight up dubstep. another reason plasticman smacks it in a club... he mixes it up. i dont mind dmz being mainly/all dubstep, thats their vibe, and i rate that. but fwd is meant to be pushing both side by side, it still claims to be but there is little evidence as far as i can see
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Grime ain't dead in notts fam. I live here. People are TRYING to kill Grime. The Promoters almost have succeeded but there are still a handful of us moving. Hold tight Nat, Klassic, myself & rest of the blackops family! It is just not possible 2 play grime in notts anymore solely because of little idiots causing hype. I don't think the problem is the violent lyrics, its stupid and impressionably people who go on like children all the time. I do agree with u about peer pressure tho.
Oi u should check that Purple link I posted. Seems like thats the kind of grime u'd rather hear on dubstep riddims?
I'm all for progression in the music and the scene too.
Oi u should check that Purple link I posted. Seems like thats the kind of grime u'd rather hear on dubstep riddims?
I'm all for progression in the music and the scene too.
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Yh I feel u.elgato wrote:i think theres a lot of truth in some of what you say
i think its provoking those responses though cos you're coming at the issue from a negative angle - ie 'i dont rate crazy d, so i want different mcs', rather than just 'i want differen mcs'. cos i guess people here are very sort of protective of the central players. and likewise to say 'the scene could do with more varied types of people in raves' rather than 'raves are full of nerds' would get a better response i reckon. cos i know that i find that a frustrating thing to hear. are 'nerds' so bad? i agree it'd be better to have more different types of people, but why belittle people like that?
but i agree that it'd be good to have more mc's down at fwd, it would definately raise my interest in going down more often. but not just massive crews of nobodies getting passed the mic cos theyre mates with a decent mc - that i reckon it can do without. but skepta tore it up when i saw him down there the other month, he brought a whole next element to the situation, and i'd like to see more of that. likewise selectors. ive been really disappointed to see geeneus move so far away from grime, every time i see him now he just plays more or less straight up dubstep. another reason plasticman smacks it in a club... he mixes it up. i dont mind dmz being mainly/all dubstep, thats their vibe, and i rate that. but fwd is meant to be pushing both side by side, it still claims to be but there is little evidence as far as i can see
I wasn't articulate enough in my first post.. but I'll try 2 be clearer. Coming from regular raves which I used 2 go to all the time; Eski, Sidewinder, Pirate etc etc then 2 FWD and DMZ is quite a big change. Im sure anyone could recognize that who had been 2 both. I don't say its a bad change, but sometimes dubstep is too passive. Needs a bit more anger passion and energy (BUT IN THE RIGHT WAY!!!!!!). I think MC's can provide this. And yh, of course it needs 2 be the RIGHT MC's. I'd also hate 2 see a bag of man who are nobodies turn up to a rave and start spitting complete air. I'd not only feel embarrassed becase I champion grime so hard but also I'd feel like they'd let Dubstep down, cos dubstep gave em a chance.
End of the day - Let the DJ's decide who to bring along. If anyone. Im just saying what I as a fan of both genres would like to see.
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but if you look at the best grime mcs tho they aint about that so much. look at skepta, jme, trim, scratchy, newham, wiley... all taking it abstract, and granted talking about real things, in their worlds, but not just chatting violence. i love dubstep when its escapist and meditative, but why do we want to box it into that? to be fair recent tunes by some of the big names are just as aggy as anything someone can chat, its just not as explicit. the energy is the sameSearch wrote:The reference to the 19yr old talking about shanking is about the mentality of grime MCs lyrics-not the actual age. Its immature full of cartoon violence and an attempt to portray a persona that is genrally untrue.
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What I'm sayin is if I'm in a Dubstep dance for 4 hours. I don't mind an hour of str8 tunes, or even 2. Thats cool, u get me. I like that. But just 1 hour of MC's spraying some bars on big dubstep tunes would make the raves so much better. Sure the tunes have energy, but put some grime MC's on those tunes and the energy is increased.
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nah the problem with grime at the moment is its becoming less grimey and taking to much of an influence from certain types of us hip hop (but thats a whole different debate)doLLy wrote:I honestly think this IS the problem with Grime at the moment...especially with young and upcoming MC's...Rudeski Damager wrote:I don't think the problem is the violent lyrics
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