venetian snares....

[mooseforyebs]

THOSE DRUMS


HOW!?

[deadly_habit]

renoise

[paravrais]

People always say trackers are better for drums but I just don't get it personally. I need the proper visual layout with the blocks to get my head around it.

[symmetricalsounds]

I need the proper visual layout with the blocks to get my head around it.

i'm the same, but the 5minutes i once spent with a tracker made it obvious how much easier to do those crazy drum patterns it is.

[legend4ry]

Those drums ain't that complicated, just very well done. Work with breaks and stuffs...

[lowpass]

Those drums ain't that complicated, just very well done. Work with breaks and stuffs...

very well done?

Understatement of the century, Venetian snares drums = god

[Hurtdeer]

People always say trackers are better for drums but I just don't get it personally. I need the proper visual layout with the blocks to get my head around it.

i like writing my drums complicated, and the process got about 1000x faster when i switched to renoise. You gotta reprogram your mind a bit but it does totally make a ridiculous amount of sense once you get your head around it.

also snares owns, that may not have been the best example of his ridiculously complicated drums though, legend4ry. check it:

[MineOurArc]

I also work in a tracker (Buzz which is also free!). I fail to see how it's quicker? Maybe (probably) ReNoise is a better program than Buzz but I find ableton to be so much quicker to do anything. I like to layer my drums up so I have a few instances of differents drums running. To do this on a tracker is a lot more work than Ableton.

I don't use a tracker for speed. I use it coz I'm a quirky little fucker!

[serox]

THOSE DRUMS


HOW!?

Sounds to me like a few live drummer loops with the hi hats/hi end stuff and a few drums from other kits over the top. There is a real bd and snare that has been layered but they dont have the 'real' feel because they are samples and each hit sounds exactly the same. The snare sounds terribly out of place with the rest of the drums:/

[serox]

also snares owns, that may not have been the best example of his ridiculously complicated drums though, legend4ry. check it:

Ok, I have said it before and Ill say it again. V Snares is one of the most overrated producers going. Breakcore is the worst style of music going and tends to be made by pretentious geeks

So many of them are trying to push things forward with what they are doing they have lost touch with it all. Its gone up its arse.

What is complicated about this?! its drums placed all over the place. There is no groove, its just random shit played at the wrong speed with terrible movie samples over it. CRINGE

[Hurtdeer]

I also work in a tracker (Buzz which is also free!). I fail to see how it's quicker? Maybe (probably) ReNoise is a better program than Buzz but I find ableton to be so much quicker to do anything. I like to layer my drums up so I have a few instances of differents drums running. To do this on a tracker is a lot more work than Ableton.

I don't use a tracker for speed. I use it coz I'm a quirky little fucker!

when i used to cut up breaks in logic, it meant making absolutely sure i was using the right break (to save myself an hour), cutting it up carefully, bouncing, reloading into the sampler, setting the reversed and pitched variations ahead of time incase i wanted to use them later, heavily processing to make them sound clean again, and then spending ages in hyperdraw setting the note input up until i could finally get going. By this point I've usually forgotten my original plan.

in renoise, i load any break that tickles me, maybe i'll sync it and rebounce it, then i'll cut it up or i'll use the pattern effect commands to trigger sample start points. Then I'll start putting notes in right away, pitching, reversing, drilling etc on the fly, and if it sounds rubbish, I don't feel nearly so bad about deleting it because it took me the best of 5 minutes to try it out. Faaast

Ableton is admittedly a lot better than Logic at this. And Buzz is a lot slower because while it does have the input of a tracker, you need to be pretty dandy at programming its modular environment before you get anything going. From the little I played with it, it's a lot of fun but much better designed for loops. But Renoise is the King


oh yeah and the This Bitter Earth drum break is from an old jazz record somewhere. Can't remember which. Just cut up, re-arranged, repitched, etc

[j-sh]

yeh agreed, not that hot. nice programming but the snare sounds rubbish

[Hurtdeer]

also snares owns, that may not have been the best example of his ridiculously complicated drums though, legend4ry. check it:

Ok, I have said it before and Ill say it again. V Snares is one of the most overrated producers going. Breakcore is the worst style of music going and tends to be made by pretentious geeks

So many of them are trying to push things forward with what they are doing they have lost touch with it all. Its gone up its arse.

What is complicated about this?! its drums placed all over the place. There is no groove, its just random shit played at the wrong speed with terrible movie samples over it. CRINGE

hahaha if you say so serox. I like it not because I want to seem pretentious, but because it sounds good to me. it's also not random at all, and got a lot of groove- though the first time I heard it, I'd probably agree with you. The fact it's in 7/4 and about 200bpm makes it seem like a bunch of random sounds to people who aren't really that familiar with it

[deadly_habit]

also snares owns, that may not have been the best example of his ridiculously complicated drums though, legend4ry. check it:

Ok, I have said it before and Ill say it again. V Snares is one of the most overrated producers going. Breakcore is the worst style of music going and tends to be made by pretentious geeks

So many of them are trying to push things forward with what they are doing they have lost touch with it all. Its gone up its arse.

What is complicated about this?! its drums placed all over the place. There is no groove, its just random shit played at the wrong speed with terrible movie samples over it. CRINGE

such an ignorant and angry little man

[Genevieve]

VSnares' best drums.

Anyway. In 'This Bitter Earth' it's all about the sample choice and pitching a snare drum up/down.

All these crazy ass drums are mostly just a feel and the willingness to put time/effort into them. It's kinda easy once you know the tricks of the trade and have a feel for the groove.

I've actually grown more fond of Abelcain's drums over this past year. o.o

[serox]

hahaha if you say so serox. I like it not because I want to seem pretentious, but because it sounds good to me. it's also not random at all, and got a lot of groove- though the first time I heard it, I'd probably agree with you. The fact it's in 7/4 and about 200bpm makes it seem like a bunch of random sounds to people who aren't really that familiar with it

Not sure which groove ur picking up at 7/4 200bpm but I cannot find any:D Everyone I know who likes VS is geeky and into whatever cool bands are in the charts right now at the weekends. I used to have this beef (and seen it a 100 times on many forums) with quite a few friends. Guess what, they also got into Datsik this year too

Sounds too experimental for me. I am not new to VS btw.

[serox]

such an ignorant and angry little man

I would have put money on it you liked VS. Do you like Coldplay and Radiohead too?

[deadly_habit]

such an ignorant and angry little man

I would have put money on it you liked VS. Do you like Coldplay and Radiohead too?

yes, i listen to all sorts of styles and music with very broad taste
and love how you're bashing datsik but trying to recreate the same sound when kryptic minds and youngsta used it in that other thread
like i said you just seem very ignorant and angry about anything not in your little tunnel vision of what music is

[Hurtdeer]

hahaha if you say so serox. I like it not because I want to seem pretentious, but because it sounds good to me. it's also not random at all, and got a lot of groove- though the first time I heard it, I'd probably agree with you. The fact it's in 7/4 and about 200bpm makes it seem like a bunch of random sounds to people who aren't really that familiar with it

Not sure which groove ur picking up at 7/4 200bpm but I cannot find any:D Everyone I know who likes VS is geeky and into whatever cool bands are in the charts right now at the weekends. I used to have this beef (and seen it a 100 times on many forums) with quite a few friends. Guess what, they also got into Datsik this year too

Sounds too experimental for me. I am not new to VS btw.

the groove seems really obvious to me man. Just tap your hands to the drums four times, then three times, then four times, then three times, etc. Also I'm not really into Datsik at all but tbh you won't see my railing against the guy's music either. I don't even think the fact people may like both is at all relevant

you don't like the track? fine. don't pretend you're intellectualising it by telling me why i should think it's crap too, because i won't. Why don't you start talking about some music you like for a change?

hey remember: the true intellectual opens his mind to everything, the pseudo-intellectual shuts things off

[serox]

yes, i listen to all sorts of styles and music with very broad taste
and love how you're bashing datsik but trying to recreate the same sound when kryptic minds and youngsta used it in that other thread
like i said you just seem very ignorant and angry about anything not in your little tunnel vision of what music is

I got no beef with datsik, its to do with all the people trying to copy his sound.

I am not angry at all.

Next you will be telling me Autechre are better now than in the early 90s in Warp.