Benefit Fraud

[mikey_g]

fuckin grasses. hope you all get shopped by some other twatty do-gooder for smoking a joint

In relation to the actual benefits issue i think it would be far better to address the criteria that benefits is given under. Try and come up with a full proof system that doesn't involve the daily mail's mass explusion of non pure bloods. No-one will actually do this though as its far easier to bitch and whine about the 'person next door' who they don't even know.

I'll bet a lot of people here think that people that refuse to work shitty jobs all their lives are no use to society

on that point i do agree tho far too many students fannying on with pointless qualifications cashing in their loans just to have something to do that isn't a job!

[mikey_g]

IIRC Benefit Fraud, which includes administrative errors (i.e. when they get it wrong!) accounts for 2% of the total welfare cost.

Where as tax fraud by corporations costs us 15 times more.

http://citywire.co.uk/new-model-adviser ... ud/a378274

At £30 billion per year, fraud in the UK is more than twice as high as thought, with tax evasion costing the public purse over £15 billion per year and benefit fraud just over £1 billion.

If you get mugged and you don't let the mugger know about the £50 note hidden in your sock does this make you a fraudster?

are you actually serious in making that comparison as it's like comparing chalk with fuckin cheese.
if you choose to live somewhere you are agreeing to live by the laws of that place. you do not choose to be mugged fuckwit

[capo ultra]

fuckin grasses. hope you all get shopped by some other twatty do-gooder for smoking a joint

was about to type this myself

[fuagofire]

IIRC Benefit Fraud, which includes administrative errors (i.e. when they get it wrong!) accounts for 2% of the total welfare cost.

Where as tax fraud by corporations costs us 15 times more.

http://citywire.co.uk/new-model-adviser ... ud/a378274

At £30 billion per year, fraud in the UK is more than twice as high as thought, with tax evasion costing the public purse over £15 billion per year and benefit fraud just over £1 billion.

If you get mugged and you don't let the mugger know about the £50 note hidden in your sock does this make you a fraudster?

are you actually serious in making that comparison as it's like comparing chalk with fuckin cheese.
if you choose to live somewhere you are agreeing to live by the laws of that place. you do not choose to be mugged fuckwit

Well non-fuckwit of genius tower, you don't choose to be taxed either, I was born here thats why I live here, as soon as I can fuck off somewhere else I will.
Basically tax is theft because its non voluntary, some of us happen to think that high taxes are fucking this country in the bum. Some of us think that our 3 year old children could tell you that if corporations could not evade tax as much they might very well choose to fuck off to hong kong and live by their low tax laws. some of us think 3 year old children could tell you this might loose people their jobs.
But I suppose having a mild understanding of economics makes me a fuckwit.

[fuagofire]

IIRC Benefit Fraud, which includes administrative errors (i.e. when they get it wrong!) accounts for 2% of the total welfare cost.

Where as tax fraud by corporations costs us 15 times more.

http://citywire.co.uk/new-model-adviser ... ud/a378274

At £30 billion per year, fraud in the UK is more than twice as high as thought, with tax evasion costing the public purse over £15 billion per year and benefit fraud just over £1 billion.

If you get mugged and you don't let the mugger know about the £50 note hidden in your sock does this make you a fraudster?

are you actually serious in making that comparison as it's like comparing chalk with fuckin cheese.
if you choose to live somewhere you are agreeing to live by the laws of that place. you do not choose to be mugged fuckwit

Also you thick C.U.N.T you've just suggested that people who grass up fraudsters are bastards, while at the same time saying that people who live somewhere need to abide by the laws of the place. Have some fucking consistency before you insult people.

[garethom]

Because some politicians do it, it's ok for anyone to do it? Get fucked and grow up, it isn't ok for anyone to do it. I don't want a politician claiming it for bullshit stuff they don't need as much as I don't want somebody that lives next to DRTY doing it.

[capo ultra]

lol I honestly thought that Daily Mail comments were all automated, I didn't believe people like that existed. Now i know I'm wrong. People like that exist! Beware!

[bright maroon]

This topic is going to make my head explode...


Bourne Identity - can I get a cafe/scooter rental...

I promise to show up everyday and work really, really hard...

10K you say?

You can leave off all the public display as I am still sore..

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[fuagofire]

Because some politicians do it, it's ok for anyone to do it? Get fucked and grow up, it isn't ok for anyone to do it. I don't want a politician claiming it for bullshit stuff they don't need as much as I don't want somebody that lives next to DRTY doing it.

+1

[firky]

Well non-fuckwit of genius tower, you don't choose to be taxed either, I was born here thats why I live here, as soon as I can fuck off somewhere else I will.
Basically tax is theft because its non voluntary, some of us happen to think that high taxes are fucking this country in the bum. Some of us think that our 3 year old children could tell you that if corporations could not evade tax as much they might very well choose to fuck off to hong kong and live by their low tax laws. some of us think 3 year old children could tell you this might loose people their jobs.
But I suppose having a mild understanding of economics makes me a fuckwit.

[DRTY]

So I'm some daily Mail reader because I think it's wrong she does jack shit and gets handed everything on a plate? I don't even read fucking news rags.

If thinking it's wrong that someone can just sponge off of everyone else makes me an idiot then I'm an idiot. Yes there are much bigger problems, but I wasn't talking about them, so go make another thread.

Let's say everyone on DSF put £10 into a pot, then that money would be distributed amongst everyone so that they could buy new speakers and amps or something, with factors about current setups effecting how much you'd get back.... and someone lied about what they currently had to get an increased amount, that'd be wrong. There's no fucking issue there, it would be wrong.

[Mr Hyde]

give her a shitealite

[capo ultra]

I'm an idiot.

I wouldn't say your an idiot just a total dick if you go snitching

[HamCrescendo]

dont think anyones saying its not a "bad" thing to do.
im just not gonna get involved in it. I'm not the law and it aint my place. She aint directly fucking me over, if she did then maybe I'd have a reason but from what I can see is you're just making assumptions, prying into her life and business and being a bit nosey basically without knowing her or what she does. No need for it IMO.

[firky]

So I'm some daily Mail reader because I think it's wrong she does jack shit and gets handed everything on a plate? I don't even read fucking news rags.

If thinking it's wrong that someone can just sponge off of everyone else makes me an idiot then I'm an idiot. Yes there are much bigger problems, but I wasn't talking about them, so go make another thread.

Let's say everyone on DSF put £10 into a pot, then that money would be distributed amongst everyone so that they could buy new speakers and amps or something, with factors about current setups effecting how much you'd get back.... and someone lied about what they currently had to get an increased amount, that'd be wrong. There's no fucking issue there, it would be wrong.

I don't think anyone was having a go at you personally, more some of the posters who've chipped into this thread. The DM reader slur is of course more to do with their attitudes than actually reading the paper.

What I don't get is how, on very little evidence and without knowing her from adam, you've come to the conclusion that she is fraudulently claiming benefits. For all you know she could work from home, have a large inheritance, have MS etc. I mean think about it? Why would someone need their house cleaned all day every day? It's obviously a support worker or a carer getting her up in the mornings so her daughter does not need to provide the care that other children do and go to school.

Where's the fraud being committed? Where's the evidence of a second income or a job, you said yourself she's in the house all day. Surely if she could afford this Land Rover she'd be out earning all day? Even if you work from home you have to meet people and be seen to be doing business. She's not going to remain housebound for over twenty years so she can scab an extra £100 off the DSS.

It's a bit like reporting some guy with a dark complexion for hanging around a train station with a rucksack for being a terrorist.

*shrug*

[Mr Hyde]

personally I wouldn't tell, I find it a bit too much like a kid telling on you for copying their homework because 'they put the work in and it isn't fair you don't', I know technically with benefit fraud they are taking your money/state money, but its such a tiny % it seems more about the principle.

it is borderline though, you'd tell the police if you saw a burgular robbing your neighbours house and wouldn't get called a snitch.

[capo ultra]

to snitch someone for not following company policy is horrendous and I don't know how someone could live with themselves tbh it's like the jobsworths at supermarkets that chase shoplifters down the road and tackle them to the ground, like, what are you achieving beyond a boost of your own ego.

It's a long road to hell when you start spying on neighbours and coming to conclusions on their lifestyle. Glad I didn't live during the cold war (or even a Muslim today in Britain), paranoia would be completely overbearing

[ahier]

So I'm some daily Mail reader because I think it's wrong she does jack shit and gets handed everything on a plate? I don't even read fucking news rags.

If thinking it's wrong that someone can just sponge off of everyone else makes me an idiot then I'm an idiot. Yes there are much bigger problems, but I wasn't talking about them, so go make another thread.

Let's say everyone on DSF put £10 into a pot, then that money would be distributed amongst everyone so that they could buy new speakers and amps or something, with factors about current setups effecting how much you'd get back.... and someone lied about what they currently had to get an increased amount, that'd be wrong. There's no fucking issue there, it would be wrong.

the point is, reporting her doesnt solve anything. Its not that the other problems mentioned are different, they are all part of the same problem, and a solution that fixes all of them is what is needed, not reactionary, short term solutions that really help noone. you think, assuming she is committing fraud in the first place, that having her case put through court is going to deter anyone else from committing fraud? is it going to solve the problem of your tax money being misspent? is it going to do anything other than give you feelings of self-righteousness at reinforcing the rules of a benefit system gone slightly awry?

[incnic]

to snitch someone for not following company policy is horrendous and I don't know how someone could live with themselves tbh it's like the jobsworths at supermarkets that chase shoplifters down the road and tackle them to the ground, like, what are you achieving beyond a boost of your own ego.

It's a long road to hell when you start spying on neighbours and coming to conclusions on their lifestyle. Glad I didn't live during the cold war (or even a Muslim today in Britain), paranoia would be completely overbearing

tax dobs die

you dont gain anything from making someone elses lifestyle you are envious of do bad
bad look

[cityzen]

what's wrong with the world these days, fucking snoopy snitches ready to turn their neighbours in, but too apathetic to stand up to the state

Replace 'apathetic' with 'fearful' and the above reminds me of


Also

this descended into arguments quicker than usual. big ups.