Who's better than Kromestar/ISoul?

smudge · Post by **smudge** » Wed May 23, 2007 12:33 pm

(IMO) Toasty Boy pisses on everyone. The ideas in his tunes and the PRODUCTION is only matched by Search & Destroy. (IMO).

I think there is an issue in dubstep with production values. There doesn't seem to be a huge amount of well produced tunes. Amazing ideas and vibes but a lot of the tunes sound like they need putting through an analogue desk and given some warmth and grit.

Take Hatcha's Kiss FM show last night. IMO he played 2 "well produced" tracks - the one at around 43 mins in which was a kinda old vocal dub tune refix that rocked. MC God Gift was getting really into it and started screaming at Hatcha for the reload. The other was a spacey, Toasty Boy sounding track at around 51.30 mins.

The rest sounded a bit thin and kinda lost the vibe a bit.

Some of these "top" producers need to stop doing everything in Reason and invest in some analogue kit. Even a little Mackie analogue Desk would help.

Don't flame me as I LOVE my dubstep and the DMZ 2nd birthday was in my top 3 nights of ALL TIME. I'm just interested what other producers think.

LEQ · Post by **LEQ** » Wed May 23, 2007 12:35 pm

pete bubonic wrote:Man is proper hit and miss for me. Some fucking large and addictive tunes, but some like previously mentioned, don't sound finished. Some shouldn't have been released. I think maybe just more quality control to be had?

Pretty much sums it up in my opionion.

elgato · Post by **elgato** » Wed May 23, 2007 12:58 pm

smudge wrote:Some of these "top" producers need to stop doing everything in Reason and invest in some analogue kit. Even a little Mackie analogue Desk would help.

who are you talking about though?

i hear some stuff which sounds thin, but i would say that most of the top producers have got a pretty full sound.

i also think that one of the things which has made certain aspects of dubstep what it is is the budget equipment, the plastic sounds. wouldnt it be boring if everyone had the same aesthetic?

elgato · Post by **elgato** » Wed May 23, 2007 1:05 pm

and i can see that thats something that everyone using the same programme can become, but i dont feel that thats fair as a reflection of the genre as a whole.

mushug · Post by **mushug** » Wed May 23, 2007 1:19 pm

he has some great tunes like that 808 tune, kalawanji, kalawanji 2, some ironsoul tunes, etc...
but most of the wobblers he makes sound a bit samey to me...

smudge · Post by **smudge** » Wed May 23, 2007 1:22 pm

elgato wrote:
smudge wrote:Some of these "top" producers need to stop doing everything in Reason and invest in some analogue kit. Even a little Mackie analogue Desk would help.
who are you talking about though?

i hear some stuff which sounds thin, but i would say that most of the top producers have got a pretty full sound.

i also think that one of the things which has made certain aspects of dubstep what it is is the budget equipment, the plastic sounds. wouldnt it be boring if everyone had the same aesthetic?

I think the "budget" sound was cool when dubstep started to happen way back in 2002 but not now. I don't really feel in a position to start calling out "budget" producers. I'd rather just name to who I rate.

Recent quality productions that spring to mind are that 50, 000 watts tune, Elemental - Soul Fire and the new Toasty Boy - (On something?).

Also have to give a cheeky nod to that Scotty tune (Kromestar?). Makes me smile.

elgato · Post by **elgato** » Wed May 23, 2007 1:30 pm

smudge wrote:I don't really feel in a position to start calling out "budget" producers. I'd rather just name to who I rate

fair enough yeh

i think theres a lot of high quality production in dubstep

i agree some quarters are lacking in both ideas and production, but i dont see that element as dominant, at all

and i think its important for tunes with ideas to be allowed exposure regardless of the producer having the cash for outboard kit, or the inclination to learn Logic

Littlefoot · Post by **Littlefoot** » Wed May 23, 2007 1:34 pm

he writes some bangers but he generally doesnt get me as hyped as say another 5 or 6 producrs

djslate · Post by **djslate** » Wed May 23, 2007 1:43 pm

glacial wrote:I just like deep medi 01 and that's all. sorry lol

all his tunes are about the same wobbles story imo. Man got no diversity in his sound.

Nail on the head. Simple...

dq · Post by dq » Thu May 24, 2007 2:48 pm

Delendi wrote:EXCEPT HE DOESN'T GET ROUND TO GIVING BACK YOUR RAGGA JUNGLE ANTHEMS VOL 2 AND THEN HE LOSES IT.

"Yo man where my Killa tape at?
How you ain't got my shit when I let you hold it man?"
"Yo n****s came over with 40s and blunts kid."

man-versus-sofa · Post by **man-versus-sofa** » Thu May 24, 2007 3:39 pm

better dubplates then most of his releses!

i could at least name 20 producers who are better!

ory · Post by **ory** » Thu May 24, 2007 3:45 pm

dashman · Post by **dashman** » Thu May 24, 2007 6:07 pm

there both the same dude peps.

tes la rok · Post by **tes la rok** » Thu May 24, 2007 7:40 pm

to me krome is top 5 producer

jack sparrow1 · Post by **jack sparrow1** » Thu May 24, 2007 8:05 pm

personally, easily the most adaptive in any style of music.

cant forget about cessman

sully_shanks · Post by **sully_shanks** » Thu May 24, 2007 8:05 pm

smudge wrote:
elgato wrote:
smudge wrote:Some of these "top" producers need to stop doing everything in Reason and invest in some analogue kit. Even a little Mackie analogue Desk would help.
who are you talking about though?

i hear some stuff which sounds thin, but i would say that most of the top producers have got a pretty full sound.

i also think that one of the things which has made certain aspects of dubstep what it is is the budget equipment, the plastic sounds. wouldnt it be boring if everyone had the same aesthetic?

I think the "budget" sound was cool when dubstep started to happen way back in 2002 but not now. I don't really feel in a position to start calling out "budget" producers. I'd rather just name to who I rate.

Recent quality productions that spring to mind are that 50, 000 watts tune, Elemental - Soul Fire and the new Toasty Boy - (On something?).

Also have to give a cheeky nod to that Scotty tune (Kromestar?). Makes me smile.

hear this a lot of the colder/digital sounding tracks arent moving me so much any more, tho it is a sound that can be used wickedly (eg early skream)
i think kalawanji has that same raw/heavy/analog quality as the tracks you just mentioned n its an absolute anthem. think i voted for it as best tune in last yrs poll. but nothing else ive heard from kromestar has rlly been on that level...

prisoner · Post by **prisoner** » Sun May 27, 2007 6:24 pm

all i wanna know is why he doesn't start his own label for his output instead of releasing everything on different "labels", whites, etc...

man puts out so much stuff i find it a bit hard to keep up!

diablo · Post by **diablo** » Sun May 27, 2007 8:09 pm

Man also has a problem with too damn many tracks per vinyl

One track on each side thank you very much!!!!!!!

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