mentality

[dj_donga]

original rant needs to be read out loud by samuel.L.jackson impersonator, then sampled for complestely new tune. or made into bootleg mashup with vocal-less aforementioned trendybasship song. or pressed as an capella then put over theos lost angel. shit, i wonder how much mr.jackson charges for a one take vocal recording?

yo - i could do it myself with a pitchshifter

[Jubz]

Here's a scene that isn't a scene. It's just a group of disparate, divided individuals on the internet searching for meaning through obsession and fetishism. But they've got it back to front, the meaning should come first; and what scares them is that there isn't any meaning to be found here. No ground-broken, no new territories are being tread, no new flavours, no new ideas. Only parts of what has come before from many different places - divided, replicated and stuck back together. And, ultimately, cheapened. Tired of waiting for history to happen to them the participants try to create it themselves, creating the illusion of worth by obsessing and fetishishing over the music and it's creators, in the hope that if you try hard enough, there might just be a story to tell the kids and grandkids one day. But there isn't a story, and there won't be one. And all the while people stand around not daring to mention the elephant in the room - that there's nothing going on here, and the music is duller than fucking dishwater.

[garethom]

Here's a scene that isn't a scene. It's just a group of disparate, divided individuals on the internet searching for meaning through obsession and fetishism. But they've got it back to front, the meaning should come first; and what scares them is that there isn't any meaning to be found here. No ground-broken, no new territories are being tread, no new flavours, no new ideas. Only parts of what has come before from many different places - divided, replicated and stuck back together. And, ultimately, cheapened. Tired of waiting for history to happen to them the participants try to create it themselves, creating the illusion of worth by obsessing and fetishishing over the music and it's creators, in the hope that if you try hard enough, there might just be a story to tell the kids and grandkids one day. But there isn't a story, and there won't be one. And all the while people stand around not daring to mention the elephant in the room - that there's nothing going on here, and the music is duller than fucking dishwater.

[Coppola]

that there's nothing going on here, and the music is duller than fucking dishwater.

Well, that may be your personal opinion, but I don't think its particularly true. There may be tunes which take inspiration from exitsing sounds such as the resurgence in acid synths or big 808s but that doesn't mean that they are dull and it doesn't mean that they can use these elements to make new sounds. The whole underground music scene is constantly producing music which sounds similar. Jungle, Dnb, 2-step etc all have many tracks with essentially the same elements but it doesn't mean that the tracks aren't good. Music doesn't have to be constantly coming up with brand new sounds the whole time to be good music.

Personally I think that when you say there is no meaning to be found in the new tunes which gain a lot of hype you are wrong. To an extent these tunes have hype because they are good tunes. They sound fresh to the younger generation who weren't there to experience acid house or techno the first time round. Theres obviously an element of people jumping on the bandwagon but the tunes do speak for themselves in most cases imo and also speak to younger generation of people who don't have such a deep knowledge of house and techno and therefore sounds new and fresh.

[fassyman]

Here's a scene that isn't a scene. It's just a group of disparate, divided individuals on the internet searching for meaning through obsession and fetishism. But they've got it back to front, the meaning should come first; and what scares them is that there isn't any meaning to be found here. No ground-broken, no new territories are being tread, no new flavours, no new ideas. Only parts of what has come before from many different places - divided, replicated and stuck back together. And, ultimately, cheapened. Tired of waiting for history to happen to them the participants try to create it themselves, creating the illusion of worth by obsessing and fetishishing over the music and it's creators, in the hope that if you try hard enough, there might just be a story to tell the kids and grandkids one day. But there isn't a story, and there won't be one. And all the while people stand around not daring to mention the elephant in the room - that there's nothing going on here, and the music is duller than fucking dishwater.

lol, what an incredibly over cynical way of looking at things

your reading way to much into this i think

[hackman]

Here's a scene that isn't a scene. It's just a group of disparate, divided individuals on the internet searching for meaning through obsession and fetishism. But they've got it back to front, the meaning should come first; and what scares them is that there isn't any meaning to be found here. No ground-broken, no new territories are being tread, no new flavours, no new ideas. Only parts of what has come before from many different places - divided, replicated and stuck back together. And, ultimately, cheapened. Tired of waiting for history to happen to them the participants try to create it themselves, creating the illusion of worth by obsessing and fetishishing over the music and it's creators, in the hope that if you try hard enough, there might just be a story to tell the kids and grandkids one day. But there isn't a story, and there won't be one. And all the while people stand around not daring to mention the elephant in the room - that there's nothing going on here, and the music is duller than fucking dishwater.

there is a lot of incredibly dull music around at the moment, mine probably included

[hackman]

although there is a lot of good stuff around too i was just reminded hehe

[groucho_marxx]

Here's a scene that isn't a scene. It's just a group of disparate, divided individuals on the internet searching for meaning through obsession and fetishism. But they've got it back to front, the meaning should come first; and what scares them is that there isn't any meaning to be found here. No ground-broken, no new territories are being tread, no new flavours, no new ideas. Only parts of what has come before from many different places - divided, replicated and stuck back together. And, ultimately, cheapened. Tired of waiting for history to happen to them the participants try to create it themselves, creating the illusion of worth by obsessing and fetishishing over the music and it's creators, in the hope that if you try hard enough, there might just be a story to tell the kids and grandkids one day. But there isn't a story, and there won't be one. And all the while people stand around not daring to mention the elephant in the room - that there's nothing going on here, and the music is duller than fucking dishwater.

Must agree that people constantly laud so many tracks here as ''Amazing'' ''Incredible'' etc when its just non-melodic bass lines with claps.

Bring back the melodies!!

[skimpi]

Here's a scene that isn't a scene. It's just a group of disparate, divided individuals on the internet searching for meaning through obsession and fetishism. But they've got it back to front, the meaning should come first; and what scares them is that there isn't any meaning to be found here. No ground-broken, no new territories are being tread, no new flavours, no new ideas. Only parts of what has come before from many different places - divided, replicated and stuck back together. And, ultimately, cheapened. Tired of waiting for history to happen to them the participants try to create it themselves, creating the illusion of worth by obsessing and fetishishing over the music and it's creators, in the hope that if you try hard enough, there might just be a story to tell the kids and grandkids one day. But there isn't a story, and there won't be one. And all the while people stand around not daring to mention the elephant in the room - that there's nothing going on here, and the music is duller than fucking dishwater.

Must agree that people constantly laud so many tracks here as ''Amazing'' ''Incredible'' etc when its just non-melodic bass lines with claps.

Bring back the melodies!!

I use melodies looool

[tosker]

Here's a scene that isn't a scene. It's just a group of disparate, divided individuals on the internet searching for meaning through obsession and fetishism. But they've got it back to front, the meaning should come first; and what scares them is that there isn't any meaning to be found here. No ground-broken, no new territories are being tread, no new flavours, no new ideas. Only parts of what has come before from many different places - divided, replicated and stuck back together. And, ultimately, cheapened. Tired of waiting for history to happen to them the participants try to create it themselves, creating the illusion of worth by obsessing and fetishishing over the music and it's creators, in the hope that if you try hard enough, there might just be a story to tell the kids and grandkids one day. But there isn't a story, and there won't be one. And all the while people stand around not daring to mention the elephant in the room - that there's nothing going on here, and the music is duller than fucking dishwater.

lol, what an incredibly over cynical way of looking at things

your reading way to much into this i think

agreed. rant was a little hackneyed, too, although i think that the having a story to tell the kids bit sorta rings true. as in, the clamor over buying these ltd releases is with the intent of physically demonstrating your membership in the "scene," via your possession of particular pieces of wax.

on an unrelated note, peeps are expecting this thread to hit 21 pgs, right?

[skwiggo]

This is why I think the Hessle guys stand above all others, they constantly play new and old stuff that Ive never heard before and then just drop a link to some clips about their next release that you had almost no clue about, and then im still excited when it comes out about a month later but theres no rush to the shop to get it with the worry of it selling out.

Still though, I probably do buy most of the hyped releases, part of the reason is that you I feel like it would be cool to own it just cos its THAT record, but also I probably warmed to the tracks too, if the tracks shit no way am I buying it. I havent bought a swamp record for ages, kind of looking forward to the chunky one and mickey pearce stuff, but other than that im not anticipating any new stuff from them.

this 100percent! hessle on rinse play some of the hyped stuff but loads of different stuff as well - i'll add oneman and numbers to that too. i really like the sunklo stuff and i dig a lot of the swamp81 stuff too but a lot of really good labels seem to get overlooked over the trendy labels. might bump the underrated house/techno thread again soon cause theres so much good house/techno/garage and dare i say it, 'bass' music around both past and present thats overlooked.

need to start listening to dusk and blackdown more regularly i've been missing out there. mark radfords show is good too but its mainly tech house - sticks out a bit like a sore thumb on rinse lol

[skwiggo]

Must agree that people constantly laud so many tracks here as ''Amazing'' ''Incredible'' etc when its just non-melodic bass lines with claps.

Bring back the melodies!!

i def agree with you here too man. i love drum machine jams as much as the next guy but when every track in a mix sounds like that its incredibly annoying

[garethom]

this 100percent! hessle on rinse play some of the hyped stuff

In fairness, I think it more becomes hyped AFTER Hessle play it.

a lot of really good labels seem to get overlooked over the trendy labels.

Yep, it's funny how people are happy to be "underground" or whatever, then all hype over the biggest artists/releases all the time, rather than dig deeper, which is to me, the very essence of the underground.

[cloquet]

there's an expectation to be shown rather than to find. a lot of people are content to stick with what they know and aren't willing to invest the time and effort in digging. their loss.

[clairvoyeur]

Here's a scene that isn't a scene. It's just a group of disparate, divided individuals on the internet searching for meaning through obsession and fetishism. But they've got it back to front, the meaning should come first; and what scares them is that there isn't any meaning to be found here. No ground-broken, no new territories are being tread, no new flavours, no new ideas. Only parts of what has come before from many different places - divided, replicated and stuck back together. And, ultimately, cheapened. Tired of waiting for history to happen to them the participants try to create it themselves, creating the illusion of worth by obsessing and fetishishing over the music and it's creators, in the hope that if you try hard enough, there might just be a story to tell the kids and grandkids one day. But there isn't a story, and there won't be one. And all the while people stand around not daring to mention the elephant in the room - that there's nothing going on here, and the music is duller than fucking dishwater.

[dubfordessert]

bit of a simple point but hyped records make money for people, not just the makers but the people who buy the records. a limited press can be a goldmine, so when something like the sunklos come out the discogs warriors all come out too so they can gobble it up and sell it on. i think that's BS tbh. sure everyone likes to know they have something that's worth a bob but records are for playing

[Shadrach]

bit of a simple point but hyped records make money for people, not just the makers but the people who buy the records. a limited press can be a goldmine, so when something like the sunklos come out the discogs warriors all come out too so they can gobble it up and sell it on. i think that's BS tbh. sure everyone likes to know they have something that's worth a bob but records are for playing

This. Too many people buy records just to resell them on discogs.

[dj_donga]

bit of a simple point but hyped records make money for people, not just the makers but the people who buy the records. a limited press can be a goldmine, so when something like the sunklos come out the discogs warriors all come out too so they can gobble it up and sell it on. i think that's BS tbh. sure everyone likes to know they have something that's worth a bob but records are for playing

This. Too many people buy records just to resell them on discogs.

yes and that was part of my orig post
that this is a commercially driven world
and for me personally the area of excessively financially motivated behaviours tends to taint my idealistic idea of artistic / creative purity
but i dont deny people the right to earn honest money of course
i think we should at least try and find quality music on labels that can then really help sustain themselves with our support
to help develop new artists
if yr gonna spend 'precious' money do it for musical reasons
so that all involved stand a chance of prospering
rushing out an buying an overpriced one-sided release just coz it's by some bloke
even if u havent really reached a decision about it's musical merit but yr scared they're gonna 'disappear'
is a bit plop

[Jubz]

that there's nothing going on here, and the music is duller than fucking dishwater.

Music doesn't have to be constantly coming up with brand new sounds the whole time to be good music.

I'm agreed with this point. But shouldn't the most hyped tunes in a scene be more than just 'good' music? Shouldn't they be innovating, pushing the boundaries, breaking forth into new territory? At the point they no longer are, well that's the point anything stops being relevant. If it really is blowing the minds of the younger kids then more power to them, I'm not about to tell them to check their history cos that's just going to contribute to the irrelevance of what's going on. But I do think we're just products of circumstances where the changes that set new mutations apart, that give them identity, are becoming smaller and smaller, and that rather than just admitting it we're keeping up the illusion that something's really going on.

It could all be a matter of context, but I'm not convinced. The post-dubstep "bass" music scene in absorbing influences has also gentrified them, leaving them bland and tasteless, like a muzak version of something that originally was more vital. Why listen to one person's tepid garage influenced track, when you can listen to garage? The same with funky, none of the post-dubstep lot have been able to use it's influence to create anything anywhere near as primal or vital as the originals. There is often too much reverence for the source scene as well - compare the techno influences on post-dubstep, with the distorted and twisted sounds that gave Grime it's identity. The difference is between knowing too much on the one hand, and not knowing (or caring) as much on the other.

Finally Donga made a point I also wanted to make. That the hype machine itself cheapens the situation by encouraging people not to consume on merit, but on hype; an abstract concept.

[helix]

Here's a scene that isn't a scene. It's just a group of disparate, divided individuals on the internet searching for meaning through obsession and fetishism. But they've got it back to front, the meaning should come first; and what scares them is that there isn't any meaning to be found here. No ground-broken, no new territories are being tread, no new flavours, no new ideas. Only parts of what has come before from many different places - divided, replicated and stuck back together. And, ultimately, cheapened. Tired of waiting for history to happen to them the participants try to create it themselves, creating the illusion of worth by obsessing and fetishishing over the music and it's creators, in the hope that if you try hard enough, there might just be a story to tell the kids and grandkids one day. But there isn't a story, and there won't be one. And all the while people stand around not daring to mention the elephant in the room - that there's nothing going on here, and the music is duller than fucking dishwater.