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Dirty Bass - Pressure Wave - First Dubstep Production

Post by dirty_bass » Fri Mar 31, 2006 6:07 pm

Well, I run a couple of labels, one Techno and the other Electro and Dark Electronic beats.
I`ve been getting heavily into dubstep and grime, and this is my first effort in the studio.
Any tips would be appreciated.

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Post by auralassassin » Fri Mar 31, 2006 8:12 pm

this track is waaaaaaaaaay too quiet for me to properly give a review... from what I CAN hear, the pattern is gonna punch some speakers... just need to cranker up.

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Post by subframe » Fri Mar 31, 2006 8:30 pm

Plenty loud for me?

Excellent tune. Production is freaking razor sharp! Pressurewave is an appropriate title - this would push 'em back a few feet on a proper system.

Bringing in the percussion around the 3:12 mark is very effective, imo. But it gets a little too busy for me around 3:40...

nice
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Post by 8bitwonder » Fri Mar 31, 2006 8:53 pm

subframe wrote:Plenty loud for me?

Excellent tune. Production is freaking razor sharp! Pressurewave is an appropriate title - this would push 'em back a few feet on a proper system.

Bringing in the percussion around the 3:12 mark is very effective, imo. But it gets a little too busy for me around 3:40...

nice
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Post by dirty_bass » Fri Mar 31, 2006 10:02 pm

Yeah sorry, everything I produce is for vinyl, so I don`t crush the fuck out of everything just to get it loud for home listening.
As a general rule, as most cutting engineers will tell you, the more you maximise and crush, the shitter your cut will be, as you are reducing the dynamic for them to cut properly.
Final loudness before vinyl mastering bears little relation to the loudness on the cut.
So as a force of habit I finalise for vinyl, not CD.

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Post by kion » Fri Mar 31, 2006 10:21 pm

dirty_bass wrote:Yeah sorry, everything I produce is for vinyl, so I don`t crush the fuck out of everything just to get it loud for home listening.
As a general rule, as most cutting engineers will tell you, the more you maximise and crush, the shitter your cut will be, as you are reducing the dynamic for them to cut properly.
Final loudness before vinyl mastering bears little relation to the loudness on the cut.
So as a force of habit I finalise for vinyl, not CD.
hmmm sounds a bit of a lame excuse really for not sorting out a few transients in the mix! You've got a few peaks going up to about -1db (very small and hardly noticable) and this seems to be what's stopped you from bouncing the track at a generally higher level (even if it is just for a 'home listening' preview).

Other than that (which is a minor and irrelevant except for argument's sake) it sounds solid.
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Post by subframe » Fri Mar 31, 2006 10:22 pm

Interesting. i'll be cutting some dubs of my stuff soon, and i've been wondering about this. Luckily all of my home-made 'mastering' is non-destructive, so I can take it off.

How much (and what kind of) finalising DO you do?
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Post by kion » Fri Mar 31, 2006 10:30 pm

subframe wrote:Interesting. i'll be cutting some dubs of my stuff soon, and i've been wondering about this. Luckily all of my home-made 'mastering' is non-destructive, so I can take it off.

How much (and what kind of) finalising DO you do?
I know that was directed towards Dirty Bass, but I'd just like to add that you shouldn't do ANY finalising/mastering yourself (or any so-called 'premastering') or you'll get evils from the mastering and/or cutting engineer.

Just bounce the track with a decent amount of headroom remaining, and let them do their stuff.
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Post by dirty_bass » Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:02 am

basically yeah, I`m lucky to know one of the best cutting engineers in this country (lawrie immersion of curve pusher) and I`ve been cutting records for 5 years now.
General advice, if you are getting a proper cut, then don`t do too much finalising.
Unless you are using compression over the final mix to colour it in some way, don`t bother using any mastering, as you are just fucking with the headroom and the dynamic.
Good subtractive EQ is all you need.
You can, if you wish put the bass into mono, I generally strip eveything from about 200hz down.
And also a low cut from 30-40 hz too, as these are dead frequencies in vinyl (although both these last processes will be done by the engineer)

If however you are using one of these shit, cheapo, send it away and it gets cut in germany places, then you probably need to master it a bit more, as they will just run a flat process and make a weak cut (I`ve dealt with this in the past, horrible, my advice, save the money and go to a good place).

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Post by dirty_bass » Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:04 am

Just to add, my experience is in techno, electro and idm, but it should apply to most beat heavy music for vinyl.

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Post by auralassassin » Sat Apr 01, 2006 1:31 am

this sounds good on a nice loud system... had to burn and listen on a CDJ...

gets a bit cluttered towards the middle... not quite as sparse as I'd like. looking for a more "spacey" feel... I'd mix this in the beginning of a dnb set though.

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Post by dirty_bass » Sat Apr 01, 2006 1:57 am

Cheers mate, well, it`s my first attempt at dubstep, so I¬m still getting into it.
I like it all stripped down, so I`m still getting into my minimisation, as I`m used to a busier mix.

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Post by protocolx » Sat Apr 01, 2006 5:02 am

m8.. u may have been cuttin for a while, but some of ure techniques are wrong in my opinion...

ure intro in relation to ure trak is all wrong. its way to low.. u have no hz in the 80-800 really.. some, not enough tho.. ure beats need to be hittin 200 more..
i would not compare mixing techno to mixing a dubstep trak either....

a few tips... not everything colours ure sound! on certain elements u want 2 make them loud.. lookin at ure trak, there is loads of spikey peaks.. on ure kick esp.. i would suggest removin the peaks then mixing the trak..

yes there needs to be headroom for the engineer, but not the amount u have on ure trak..

also dynamics are not always important.. sometimes the pumping effect from a compressor is whats needed!! also.. we aint makin bach.. i think its all bout the power..punch...

this is my opinion tho..

Search and Destroy got the sick mixes goin on!! propa tight!!

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Post by dirty_bass » Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:20 pm

As I said, it`s my first attempt at dubstep, gimme a break, that track was about 5 hours work.
Dynamics are important to me, pumping compression is something I have got very bored with from techno.
I¬m sure after a few more goes and more time digging the music, I`ll get it down.

Search and Destroy are good, saw them the other night.
But I noticed a lot of the tracks played were over compressed and they lost definition and impact at high volume.
Admittedly the rig was a little overdriven, but I`m not sure it was overdriven enough to to cause that.

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Post by meconium » Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:59 pm

dirty_bass wrote:Cheers mate, well, it`s my first attempt at dubstep, so I¬m still getting into it.
I like it all stripped down, so I`m still getting into my minimisation, as I`m used to a busier mix.
I think this track is the absolute bomb, mate! I just started getting into dubstep meself coming from dnb/breakcore and I actually get a bit bored with too minimal dubstep tracks so your track is very welcome, big up!
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Post by j_j » Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:14 pm

if its ur first attempt at dubstep why keep the level low for a cut to dub as u werent goin to cut it o dub neway.


then you said:
Search and Destroy are good, saw them the other night.
But I noticed a lot of the tracks played were over compressed and they lost definition and impact at high volume.
Admittedly the rig was a little overdriven, but I`m not sure it was overdriven enough to to cause that.


.which made me like ur track even less...

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Post by dirty_bass » Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:16 am

Well, in hindsight I think the rig in gerbal has a limiter sitting on it, which was killing the sound.
Although the bass was still ok, so maybe not.
Dunno I was enjoying myself too much to get really geeky and stand back and analyse properly.

As for cutting for vinyl mastering, it`s just a habit, I rarely master for any other reason, unless it`s for my live pa.

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Post by kenneth sulu » Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:52 am

Definitely feeling your track, a welcome break from the halfstep stuff. Can't really find anything wrong with it.

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Post by ramadanman » Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:38 am

tune sounding good mate

very well produced

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Post by deadlycrusher » Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:48 pm

this is the shit, loving the dirty dirty bass.

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