jumping on the bandwagon

falloutsoldier · Post by **falloutsoldier** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 8:59 pm

yeah, so been getting a bit curious bout all this dubstep business...

+ after attending a night with vexd playing caught the bug + thought I'd give making some a go....

(this isnt my first time making music, just dubstep btw)

spent a few hours on this, not finished but would like to hear the opinion of some heads.....

dont be shy as I'm all in constructive crit

(note, the mix is prob a bit quiet)

give this a click an tell me what you reckon...

http://s37.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=18AS ... Y4TE7M6KI3

happy to return the favour btw...

fullyrecordingz · Post by **fullyrecordingz** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 3:41 am

Aint feelin this techno

kion · Post by **kion** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:36 pm

All the elements are nice and phat man. Hit some variation on that mofo and you'll be there in a jiffy..

j_j · Post by **j_j** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:54 pm

waste...
not dubstep at all ..

dnt jump bandwagons...progress ur own thing ..or ur fukked.

falloutsoldier · Post by **falloutsoldier** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:55 pm

cheers for your replies

@ JJ I'm not jumping on a bandwagon with my sound, I'm just talking about how every D+B / Breaks etc producer just seems to be doing a dubstep thing right now. getmebruv

safeeeee

j_j · Post by **j_j** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:09 am

quote;yeah, so been getting a bit curious bout all this dubstep business...

+ after attending a night with vexd playing caught the bug + thought I'd give making some a go....

(this isnt my first time making music, just dubstep btw)
quote;@ JJ I'm not jumping on a bandwagon with my sound, I'm just talking about how every D+B / Breaks etc producer just seems to be doing a dubstep thing right now. getmebruv

OH ?

falloutsoldier · Post by **falloutsoldier** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:41 am

Oh exactly.

youve completely missed my point.

the reason I called this thread jumping on the bandwagon is because I am saying, I MYSELF AS A BREAKS AND D+B PRODUCER AM JUMPING ON THE BANDWAGON.

not really that it matters, I'm making this music cos I like it + I quite like a change of style, it helps with writers block as writing music to different conventions and idom makes you think differently about music + helps you progress....

cheers anyway though

mug

search · Post by **search** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:43 am

Big up anyone being creative.

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:56 am

Like it cause it's different. Nasty cascading bass not too sure about all the sounds but good nonetheless. At t'end of day we're all the sum of our influences and all the better for it

j_j · Post by **j_j** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 9:57 am

falloutsoldier wrote:Oh exactly.

youve completely missed my point.

the reason I called this thread jumping on the bandwagon is because I am saying, I MYSELF AS A BREAKS AND D+B PRODUCER AM JUMPING ON THE BANDWAGON.

not really that it matters, I'm making this music cos I like it + I quite like a change of style, it helps with writers block as writing music to different conventions and idom makes you think differently about music + helps you progress....

cheers anyway though

mug

i didnt miss the point u did .ur waste attempts at dubstep make u look foolish ...and im a mug ?? LOL u trendy twat ..do ur own thing n maybe someone willrespect u...or is that trend dying now??
waste..lok n delete.

letitia · Post by **letitia** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 5:11 pm

glad that night got someone into the sound! thats why its there!

individual take on things you've got there, i think it would be improved a lot by moving you're kicks about a bit, if i'm not mistaken theyre largely on the third beat which sounds good occasionally but it could use one on the first at least every 4 bars or so.. I could be mistaken about the kicks being on the third beat as it could just be the way the rest of the drums and melody are laid out, in which case shift the whole lot so that kick IS on the third beat and restructure like that..

col · Post by **col** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 5:30 pm

WHATZ ALL THIS HATIN' ABOUT IN THE FORUM MAN?!! PISSES ME OFF!!!

kion · Post by **kion** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:25 pm

I think the 'bandwagon' title was laced with irony. He's been around Brighton for time previously organising drum n bass events (shock horror a lot of us used to be into it funnily enough), and a lot of us come from many other different scenes before we got drawn to the vibe (and it is the supposedly positive vibe, not just the music that draws people).

If someone actually attended a night or two and was inspired by the music I wouldn't call that jumping on the bandwagon - like Letitia said, inspiration is healthy for the scene innit!

A lot of the Bristol kru are Jungle / DnB vets also - no big deal, everyone's got a history somewhere else, whether they're a listener, clubber, dj, promoter or producer..

Respect

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 12:59 pm

I think it's cool to take elements from wherever - Basic Channel were techno and they've influenced a hell of a lot of dubheads.

I started off with Public Enemy years ago - they sampled Slayer, Velvet Underground, James Brown, Bowie, pretty much anything could be thrown in. They in turn influenced (and were sampled by) loads of old skool producers, who were probably more hip-hop headz than house fans (like Hype), then you get jungle from that, the bass lines are then added to garage to get speed garage, and eventually we end up with dubstep.

I've listened to hip-hop, jazz, dub, jungle, classical, folk and pretty much anything in between and although I'm not planning Banjostep yet, influences from anything outside one sound can only add to it and evolve it. There's no rule book on this and narrowing what's acceptable to a particular style is only going to stop it progressing (like what happened with punk, which again was supposed to rip up the rulebook but just ended up in cliche).

There might be some bad mutations, but it's good to have new perspectives brought in. Dubstep's not a uniform is it.

2000f · Post by **2000f** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 1:28 pm

I really feel the tune. Definately a nice tune, however a few more variations would suit it.

However, I really don´t understand this hating going on. It´s pathetic, and reminds of when early UK Hardcore/Breakbeat (around 1991/1992) was underground, and eg. SL2, Altern8, The Prodigy etc. got some pop chart breakthroughs. Of course it didn´t ruin the scene, eventhough it was predicted. However, the sound progressed into Happy Hardcore and Jungle/darkside stuff. The same thing happened again, this time for Jungle; eg. General Levy and M-Beat as well as Shy FX and UK Apachi etc. The "scene" got a major public breaktrough, and mutated into even more different styles, eg. Drum'n'Bass as well as inspiring early Garage/Speed Garage.
And before UK Hardcore/Breakbeat the same thing happened to Acid House and Bleep Tekno. Remember "Voodoo Ray" by A Guy Called Gerald, "Pacific State" by 808 State and all the piano and acid house that followed. And I can continue for days (and I´m not even living in the UK). What about Grime, what about 4x4 and so on?

Now, all this comes full cycle with Dubstep. And I´m sure that at one point Dubstep will get it´s major 'breakthrough' (maybe it´s happening right now). And who cares?!?!? The scene won´t progress if it´s kept deliberately underground by a few selected crews.
And a question, why did Dubstep arise? As far as I can tell and remember, it spawned out of the UKG scene (eg. Grime and Breakstep/Breakbeat Garage) quite a few years ago. However, now finally it´s getting the attention it deserves, as far as I am concerned. Of course it´s up to you whether you reckon this is a good or a bad thing. But Dubstep will not die because of this. At one point it might mutate or fuse with other styles of music... there we go again.

As far as I am concerned, "newer" artist like eg. Boxcutter and Vex´d doesn't sound similar to "older" artists - eg. Hatcha and Kode 9. And who cares. Diversity is the key to dubstep!

Dubstep is inspired by techno, reggae, dub, dancehall, jungle, DnB, UKG, grime, breakbeat, soul etc. You chose what you prefer. I like the most.

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 1:58 pm

And it's got to be said "Incredible" by M-Beat and General Levy gets a good reception to this day, more than a lot of the more underground toons of the day. Same thing can be said for loads of the old hardcore stuff - those who were seen as "selling out" at the time are now regarded as classic, whilst again the scenesters faves have dropped by the wayside.

A mate of mine played warm-up to some old skool dj's a few years back, and he played SL2 and Altern8, and his set was far better received than the main act's needlessly obscure set of...not particularly good hardcore. People do like the recognition of hearing toons they know in amongst newer material.

I remember when the Prodigy first came out, and I wasn't into raves/clubbing at the time, and it introduced me to loads of other stuff that I wasn't aware of, and has now ended me up where I am now. If something becomes popular because it's good, all the better - a lot of people will get turned onto the music you like, which is a good thing. There'll always be an underground element that'll innovate and keep it fresh but if a tune's good enough to break big, why would anyone want to hold the artist back?

There's a big difference between trying to be commercial and becoming popular.

pdomino · Post by **pdomino** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 7:14 pm

Difference in a scene can only mean good cant it, production wise ?

fullyrecordingz · Post by **fullyrecordingz** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 2:09 pm

No one is HATING on da TUNE
I just said I AINT FEELIN da TECHNO VIBE
PRODUCTIONWISE the TUNE was NOT very GOOOD
LISETNING WISE the LISTEN was NOT THAT GOOD
Why DOES everyone, who did, FEEL the need to quote loads of DUBSTEPfuckinHISTORY and downfalls of next genres and the expansion of this scene and what it evolved out of and all that BOLLOX because this tune IS NOT DUBSTEP.
YES we know dubstep has a broad SOUND SCOPE but it has its BOUNDRIES it is not some kind of MAGICAL music. Just because it's new to everyone and they think it's the FUTURE and dey are like RAHHHH they want to protect it or suttin. Then the EXPECTAIONS are built up coz they think it's gonna change the world then in 10 years time It dont meet expectations den u will move to the next music and FEELtheneedto quote loadsof THATfuckinHISTORY anddownfallsofnextgenresandtheexpansionof this scene andwhatitevolvedoutof and all that shit like IT AINT BEEN DONE.

Anywayz that's me jumpin on the RANTWAGON

broken silence · Post by **broken silence** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 2:34 pm

have to agree there, too much hating, not enough constructive criticism. If you dont like something fair enough, say what you dont like and why and there BANG youv helped something progress, youv given someone a new way of looking at stuff, rather than havingt his whole PRODUCTION thread get filled up by people having to spit lyrical about their views on the why and wherefore of dubstep. You get self rightous jerks like me putting there two cents in till everyone is kicking off meaningless off topic posts. Screw it if its that importent lets just settle it with 15 rounds of bare-knuckle boxing.

fullyrecordingz · Post by **fullyrecordingz** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 2:44 pm

jumping on the bandwagon

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