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by **bandshell** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 2:03 pm

Blackdown wrote:Why the fuck would you want to do that to Sincere?

by **nero - dan** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 2:03 pm

String wrote:
NERO - Dan wrote:
String wrote:
NERO - Dan wrote:
THE-VOICE-OF-REASON wrote:Fucking hell they raped that tune , Nero make music that's the lowest common denominator. Funny thing is that their wobble at 170 is considered shit but their wobble at 140 is considered innovative!?!

In what way is that bass a wobble?

Pretty obvious its just generic wobble pattern

What is a wobble?

You've made dnb for long enough, i know you know what it is!

Well I'd say its usually a square wave with a 'squeltchy' resonant lfo on it playing a pattern that accentuates the feeling of wobbling around. I think what you're doing is confusing lfo with wobble. Or do you think that synthesizers should start replacing lfo with the word 'wobble'?

by **bandshell** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 2:05 pm

I'm not feeling it personally, but it's not a wobble. I don't see how you could think it's a wobble

by **nero - dan** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 2:06 pm

Blackdown wrote:Why the fuck would you want to do that to Sincere?

Well thankfully MJ Cole doesn't share your view.

by **bandshell** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 2:09 pm

end of thread right there.

by **blackdown** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 2:14 pm

matt's a cool guy but he's never made a record like this in his life. but whether he's into this or not is neither here nor there imo.

many people have a strong attachment to Sincere and quite a few of them will be more than a little dissapointed to see all the delicious tension and beautiful life squeezed out of it.

by **string** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 2:37 pm

NERO - Dan wrote:
String wrote:
NERO - Dan wrote:
String wrote:
NERO - Dan wrote:
THE-VOICE-OF-REASON wrote:Fucking hell they raped that tune , Nero make music that's the lowest common denominator. Funny thing is that their wobble at 170 is considered shit but their wobble at 140 is considered innovative!?!

In what way is that bass a wobble?

Pretty obvious its just generic wobble pattern

What is a wobble?

You've made dnb for long enough, i know you know what it is!

Well I'd say its usually a square wave with a 'squeltchy' resonant lfo on it playing a pattern that accentuates the feeling of wobbling around. I think what you're doing is confusing lfo with wobble. Or do you think that synthesizers should start replacing lfo with the word 'wobble'?

yeah I think it should be replaced with the word 'wobble', just so that all good producers know to keep the fuck away from it

by **ingo4life** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:04 pm

I just love this man! Big up Nero! Since when was 'sincere' become such a hallowed institution anyways?. No doubt it is amazing and blew everything else garage-wise out the water when it dropped, but that purist disdain for anyone revisiting original tunes is just wack.

by **deamonds** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:08 pm

saying the word wack is wack

by **seckle** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:17 pm

Blackdown wrote:many people have a strong attachment to Sincere

exactly. its a memories thing. so many good memories. that whole sincere album is that 99' summer sound for many people. the height of UKG. another thing is that the wookie and jazzanova remixes are still untouchable because they flipped the original tune on its head. it was such a big tune that you've got to accept that people will have nostalgia attached to it.
http://www.discogs.com/MJ-Cole-Sincere- ... ease/21140
http://www.discogs.com/MJ-Cole--Wookie- ... ase/339124

also, why would you defend your own remix on a internet forum? whats the point in that. let the remix do the talking!!

by **bjackman** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:42 pm

i'm gona step in and defend nero here!

i don't see how this can be called generic at all. sure, we've heard that bass before, but since when were low frequencies a field of innovation? sine waves never change.
you rarely hear reverb and delay used so effectively (but still in such a simple way), and the mid-range synth carries the harmonies but still hits hard for the dancefloor.

also, there are already plenty of tunes with drum patterns like that, but in this context they bring together the bar9 shuffled dubstep hype and the shuffled vibes in garage, so its completely justified (in fact it would be a sin not to use it)

sorry that was all a bit boomkat-blurb-ey! out to nero, i think this is a fucking fantastic remix.

ps what wobble?

by **robotic** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:47 pm

sounds to me like it's an official remix. also sounds like this remix would murder a dancefloor. the original gets everyone grooving, but this remix gets em jumping! so i would say, @nero: nice job and well done! and to those who obviously prefer the original: stick with that and try not wasting your time bitching and moaning about wobble on internet forums... for a change.

by **djrobyn** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 5:09 pm

robotic wrote:stick with that and try not wasting your time bitching and moaning about wobble on internet forums... for a change.

:signed:

by **Littlefoot** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 5:59 pm

MJ Cole might like it, but he probably also likes his next few rent bills suddenly becoming free

by **fairieswearboots** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 9:39 pm

seckle wrote:
Blackdown wrote:many people have a strong attachment to Sincere

exactly. its a memories thing. so many good memories. that whole sincere album is that 99' summer sound for many people. the height of UKG. another thing is that the wookie and jazzanova remixes are still untouchable because they flipped the original tune on its head. it was such a big tune that you've got to accept that people will have nostalgia attached to it.
http://www.discogs.com/MJ-Cole-Sincere- ... ease/21140
http://www.discogs.com/MJ-Cole--Wookie- ... ase/339124

also, why would you defend your own remix on a internet forum? whats the point in that. let the remix do the talking!!

because Blackdown weighed in on the topic, and whilst I have a great respect for Blackdown and find I agree with most of his views,
I dont think you should have commented like that on this forum

Nero is a 'name/face' and Blackdown is a 'name/face' and I feel this should be off the board

by **the-voice-of-reason** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:04 pm

[quote=FairiesWearBoots]

Nero is a 'name/face' and Blackdown is a 'name/face' and I feel this should be off the board[/quote] Rubbish , people who have some influence should actually speak up once in a while and stop playing the political silence game.

by **surface_tension** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:14 pm

THE-VOICE-OF-REASON wrote:people who have some influence should actually speak up once in a while and stop playing the political silence game.

Exactly. This remix is shit. MJ Cole can like whatever he wants. He can also make a good tune or a bad tune just like anyone. That doesn't mean I take his opinion, even on a remix of his own tune, to be fact. It's an opinion.

It's just a damn shame what they've done with this tune. Social sanctions are bound to occur when you fuck with a classic. Sack up and quit crying about it. Some people like it and some people don't.

by **mindmada** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:35 pm

Sic!!! MJ Cole will always be my favorite UKG artist. Sincere was so epic!!
Think most people are hating cause they didn't think of it first.
Big ups to Nero on the remix sounds tight!!! :mrgreen:

by **asa** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:17 pm

bjackman wrote:i'm gona step in and defend nero here!

i don't see how this can be called generic at all. sure, we've heard that bass before, but since when were low frequencies a field of innovation? sine waves never change.
you rarely hear reverb and delay used so effectively (but still in such a simple way), and the mid-range synth carries the harmonies but still hits hard for the dancefloor.

also, there are already plenty of tunes with drum patterns like that, but in this context they bring together the bar9 shuffled dubstep hype and the shuffled vibes in garage, so its completely justified (in fact it would be a sin not to use it)

sorry that was all a bit boomkat-blurb-ey! out to nero, i think this is a fucking fantastic remix.

ps what wobble?

Co-signed

by **hackman** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:17 pm

i like it, its a different take on a classic, maybe the easy option for a generic wobble thing, but alot ALOT better than most wobblers around at the moment

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