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corpsey wrote:I saw P Money, Blacks, Badness and others the other week in Bristol and they were spitting over all these wobble tunes that I would usually hate - and made it sound good. It's boring on its own.

mercutio wrote:does anyone have a link for that kode9 and wiley rinse show from 2006?
i cant find it on barefiles and would love to hear it

plastician wrote:I still take a lot of interest in Grime Blackdown, but a lot of it just doesn't work for me.

I've been playing fresh stuff from Silencer, Tempa T, Rude Kid, Maniac and most obviously Joker in my sets for the last year.

Recently the only mixtape that really caught me was P Money's. And I think the main reason for that was the choice of rhythm tracks from Sukh Knight and Silencer particularly.

I still check for grime all the time but a lot of it is not headed where I want to hear it heading. I don't mind stuff that might work in the mainstream but i'm not into the stuff thats being built with the mainstream in mind. I'm all about music as art, make it how you want to make it and because you believe in it, not because thats what people are buying right now.

I still champion what I believe to be decent grime, but there is not a great deal of good instrumental grime around any more, and the good vocal tracks are few and far between. I've probably played less than 10 in the last year... ones i can think of being:

P Money - Look How Many
P Money - Hot Ones
Newham Gens - Hard
Doctor - Tek Your Time
Tempa T - Next Hype
Tempa T - Boy Off Da Ting
JME - Ghetto Superstar
Wiley - Where's My Brother

That and a couple of Jeeday Jaws tracks.

I still have MC's pass thru the show. We've had Trim, Obese, Lee Brasco, Tempa T, Rage on the show in the last 6 months.

I would play a lot more grime if more of it was built for the dancefloor. Check my recent playlists though, there's still a fair amount getting dropped.

I agree with your comment on its direction however in relation to dubstep. With obvious exceptions being Dizzee, Kano, Tinchy, Chipmunk and Tinie Tempah.

Skepta's heading for the mainstream in 2010 I reckon.

seckle wrote:Grime should have been big in the us off of tredding on thin ice alone, but the marketing fully fucked it all up. I'd be pissed if i was wiley.

Sharmaji wrote:
now with that said-- it doesn't always work. Ms. Dynamite had a BIG push here, played saturday night live, had a wicked single (Ms. dynamite-ee-hee) and went NOWHERE. did she have a career in the UK after that?

tru_g wrote:
However, I think with some Dubstep heads there is alot of snobbery about Grime. People didnt want to listen to Sukh Knight when Sketch E was playing his tunes in Grime sets years back, until True Tiger signed him. People didnt want to listen to Terror Danjah until Planet Mu signed his album.

Theres so much talent in the Grime scene but its like DJs and consumers are scared to check it out.

tru_g wrote:However, I think with some Dubstep heads there is alot of snobbery about Grime....People didnt want to listen to Terror Danjah until Planet Mu signed his album.

blackdown wrote:
People - fans and journalists alike - hyping Joker but not checking for Terror Danjah until Mu compiled his beats ... it's just embarassing.

deamonds wrote:
But 2001-2002, when it was just a bridge between 2-step & grime was gold, platinum 45, sticky, hackney soldiers all those 2steppy, sub rollers, 8bar. Pure greatness.