Evolution

wormcode · Post by **wormcode** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 4:51 pm

bRRRz wrote:
deadly habit wrote:not to mention the amounts of persecution dealt out in the past to "heretics", "witches" etc basically anyone who begged to differ with the christian empire, science being one of them
Yeah, but I'm pretty sure god was into that. He certainly seems like a pretty violent mofo to me.

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jrisreal · Post by **jrisreal** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 4:53 pm

deadly habit wrote:
bRRRz wrote:
deadly habit wrote:not to mention the amounts of persecution dealt out in the past to "heretics", "witches" etc basically anyone who begged to differ with the christian empire, science being one of them
Yeah, but I'm pretty sure god was into that. He certainly seems like a pretty violent mofo to me.
yep
the old testament is blood, guts, war and a vengeful god
the new testament is nahhh bro forget that love your neighbor, turn to other check

Not sure if you're getting it. The old testament was so violent because mankind is evil. God is righteous, so He has to punish us. But then marked at the beginning of the new testament, God sent the Son (Jesus) to take punishment for our sins to that we wouldn't have to.

Pedro Sánchez · Post by **Pedro Sánchez** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 4:54 pm

jrisreal wrote: Not sure if you're getting it. The old testament was so violent because mankind is evil. God is righteous, so He has to punish us. But then marked at the beginning of the new testament, God sent the Son (Jesus) to take punishment for our sins to that we wouldn't have to.

All written by evil men

jrisreal · Post by **jrisreal** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 4:59 pm

Pedro Sánchez wrote:
jrisreal wrote: Not sure if you're getting it. The old testament was so violent because mankind is evil. God is righteous, so He has to punish us. But then marked at the beginning of the new testament, God sent the Son (Jesus) to take punishment for our sins to that we wouldn't have to.
All written by evil men

yes. but these evil men were influenced by God when they wrote. And were all evil, you haven't met a single person who isnt evil.

wormcode · Post by **wormcode** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 5:00 pm

Pedro Sánchez wrote:
jrisreal wrote: Not sure if you're getting it. The old testament was so violent because mankind is evil. God is righteous, so He has to punish us. But then marked at the beginning of the new testament, God sent the Son (Jesus) to take punishment for our sins to that we wouldn't have to.
All written by evil men

Mankind isn't "evil" until things that separate us are invented and spoil it all.

Pedro Sánchez · Post by **Pedro Sánchez** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 5:02 pm

jrisreal wrote:
Pedro Sánchez wrote:
jrisreal wrote: Not sure if you're getting it. The old testament was so violent because mankind is evil. God is righteous, so He has to punish us. But then marked at the beginning of the new testament, God sent the Son (Jesus) to take punishment for our sins to that we wouldn't have to.
All written by evil men
yes. but these evil men were influenced by God when they wrote. And were all evil, you haven't met a single person who isnt evil.

God watches you masturbate, you are going to hell.

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 5:10 pm

Pedro Sánchez wrote:
jrisreal wrote:
Pedro Sánchez wrote:
jrisreal wrote: Not sure if you're getting it. The old testament was so violent because mankind is evil. God is righteous, so He has to punish us. But then marked at the beginning of the new testament, God sent the Son (Jesus) to take punishment for our sins to that we wouldn't have to.
All written by evil men
yes. but these evil men were influenced by God when they wrote. And were all evil, you haven't met a single person who isnt evil.
God watches you masturbate, you are going to hell.

god is a pervert

wormcode · Post by **wormcode** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 5:14 pm

God is a DJ

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 5:17 pm

wormcode wrote:God is a DJ

unfortunately he seems to play skrillex

snypadub · Post by **snypadub** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 5:21 pm

The trinity may not be a biblical concept per se however, the trinity is a clear and concise thing. You have God, the creator who made all things. You Have Jesus, the son; sent to earth as a representative of God (like God but not) and the Holy Spirit that works in all of us. That is all there is to it.

As with the bible being bloody and violent I agree. As JR has already said, the old testament is full of violence and, as JR has said; this was because mankind was full of sin. The new testament marks a new covenant (or solution if you like, to the problem of sin) where God sends his son to suffer the penalty of Sin for us so that mankind can forever be redeemed.

noam · Post by **noam** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 5:31 pm

jrisreal wrote:
Pedro Sánchez wrote:
jrisreal wrote: Not sure if you're getting it. The old testament was so violent because mankind is evil. God is righteous, so He has to punish us. But then marked at the beginning of the new testament, God sent the Son (Jesus) to take punishment for our sins to that we wouldn't have to.
All written by evil men
yes. but these evil men were influenced by God when they wrote. And were all evil, you haven't met a single person who isnt evil.

i hope i never meet you

wormcode · Post by **wormcode** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 5:34 pm

snypadub wrote: The big bang theory claims that the universe started with a spinning singularity and then, BOOM it expanded.
More Evolution questions:
How do we go from a bunch of complex chemicals to life? Chance seems a bit of a cop out.
And if so chance, why not God? Surely intelligence makes more sense.

This thread inspired me to dig out an older track of mine from tape, now in my signature. Shameless I guess, but hey it's a music forum. I sampled the quote in it:

Cosmos - The Edge of Forever
If the general picture, however, of a Big Bang followed by an expanding Universe is correct, what happened before that? Was the Universe devoid of all matter and then the matter suddenly somehow created, how did that happen? In many cultures, the customary answer is that a God or Gods created the Universe out of nothing. But if we wish to pursue this question courageously, we must of course ask the next question, where did God come from? If we decide that this is an unanswerable question, why not save a step and conclude that the origin of the Universe is an unanswerable question? Or, if we say that God always existed, why not save a step, and conclude that the Universe always existed? There is no need for a creation, it was always here. These are not easy questions. Cosmology brings us face to face with the deepest mysteries, questions that were once treated only in religion and myth. - Carl Sagan

bRRRz · Post by **bRRRz** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 5:37 pm

Sin and evil...
What world do you live in? "Evil" is an entirely human concept. You got the causality wrong, mankind created god(s), not the other way around.

bRRRz · Post by **bRRRz** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 5:42 pm

snypadub wrote: How do we go from a bunch of complex chemicals to life? Chance seems a bit of a cop out.
And if so chance, why not God? Surely intelligence makes more sense.

Chemicals are nothing but "systems" which interact with each other and their environment, humans are just the same, only more complex and with the ability to measure and evaluate those interactions.
Something complex unfolding from something simple through diversification certainly seems more logical to me than it being created by something already complex.

magma · Post by **magma** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 5:50 pm

deadly habit wrote:
magma wrote:
deadly habit wrote:
IC0N wrote:
deadly habit wrote: because man is a pack animal and like it or not we behave pretty much like any other group of animals
just because we can vocalize/write/communicate these "morals" doesn't mean we don't behave like other animals
it's more natural instinct that is learned over years of trial and error as survival as a species
So basically you're saying that whether stealing is good or bad was key to our survival?
no i'm saying that until man made such a thing as personal property there was no concept of stealing, or moral choice to it, and depending on how/where you grow up now, it's not necessarily a morality choice
If Man invented the concept of personal property, why do animals guard territories, hoards of food and offspring? Surely they must feel some sort of ownership to act in such a way?

Morality comes from being a species with enormously heightened empathy. We need it to communicate with each other effectively and to second-guess competitors, predators and prey's actions in order to win at life. Empathy exists in other animals (and in extinct hominids), but none as distinctly as humans... it's only logical we have a fairly natural moral code.
like i said it's a pack mentality, look at how we allow ourselves to be controlled and governed even in a family, there is still the same concept as an alpha male etc
and yea it's logical we have some base idea of right and wrong that evolved with us as a species since it's what worked to keep us around so long, otherwise we'd be extinct by now

Word.

Pistonsbeneath · Post by **Pistonsbeneath** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 5:53 pm

you lot really cant handle it when someone has faith in something and always feel the need to ridicule

almost as if you refuse to allow it

the response to the christian views mentioned earlier are ridiculously childish im sorry

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 5:59 pm

hey i'm all for people having faith if it helps them out or they feel the necessity to have it, it's organized religion, hypocrisy, and logical fallacies being presented as fact that irritate the hell out of me

Pedro Sánchez · Post by **Pedro Sánchez** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 5:59 pm

Pistonsbeneath wrote:christian views mentioned earlier are ridiculously childish

Together with the notion that man lived with dinosaurs and St. George actually slayed a dragon though.

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 6:03 pm

i still don't get how some people take the bible or any holy book for that matter as a literal word for word
a lot of the stories are parables and stories meant to instill some sense of values, morality, or warnings just the same as grimm's fairy tales

Pistonsbeneath · Post by **Pistonsbeneath** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 6:25 pm

Pedro Sánchez wrote:
Pistonsbeneath wrote:christian views mentioned earlier are ridiculously childish
Together with the notion that man lived with dinosaurs and St. George actually slayed a dragon though.

most christians dont think man lived with the dinosaurs, st george slaying a dragon isnt something the church ever talks about or necessarily believes in

you do all let your assumptions and experiences of christians of which you probably have little (mainly through tv and the media) define your responses

i grew up in church and do not believe any longer but i can tell you the assumptions of most people about what christians are like are generally way off

dont believe everything the tv brainwashes you with and that includes everything

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