What If Everything Worked the Same as American Healthcare?

[knell]

http://www.toothpastefordinner.com

drew is too funny

[Phigure]

sad but true.

[filthy_]

im not following...

[pkay]

it's more like "you'll have to wait 3 months.... but if you didn't spend money on stupid shit like rims for your car, cable television, internet porn, a healthy coke habit, $100 in video games monthly, eating out 4 nights a week, and otherworthless shit you don't need odds are you would have enough money to pay for your car to get fixed.

most americans don't have a healthcare problem. They have a budgeting problem.


kids, the elderly, and the disabled need free healthcare. The rest of us can get one of jobs the richest country on the face of the earth provides.

[Phigure]

The rest of us can get one of jobs the richest country on the face of the earth provides.

the richest 20% earn 50% of the income in the US. The bottom 20% earn 3%.

[pkay]

The rest of us can get one of jobs the richest country on the face of the earth provides.

the richest 20% earn 50% of the income in the US. The bottom 20% earn 3%.

This has nothing to do with priorities.

only 14% of americans live in 'poverty' let's concede that those people need government help

65% of americans have high speed internet
99% of american households have at least one television
73% of american households have cable or satellite television
91% of americans have cell phones
65% of american households have two or more cars

$123 billion was spent in the US on fast food in 2010.... that means the average PERSON spent $360 on fast food in 2010 a 3 person household spent over $1000
$4 billion was spent in the US on Porn in 2010
$165 billion was spent in the US on illegal drugs in 2010... that means the average PERSON spent about $375 in illegal drugs in 2010.... a 3 person household spent over $1000


everything i just listed the average american uses and could live without. You need NONE of what I listed above. If you cut out all of that I listed above, you would save HUNDREDS of dollars a month. You would be very bored, you would eat less tasty food, but you would have the healthcare you desire.

The thing is we choose to have internet, tv, cable, porn, drug habits, a second care, a cell phone, all of that shit. We choose those over paying for insurance.

So once again lets concede that the 14% in poverty, the old, the young, the disabled need assistance. The rest of us could easily afford healthcare if we prioritized... we simply choose not to

[Phigure]

the problem is, even if you've got your priorities straight and you're insured, you get screwed by the insurance companies. any system in which a corporation is in control of people's health and welfare is completely and utterly fucked, especially if they're hardly regulated.

[pkay]

the problem is, even if you've got your priorities straight and you're insured, you get screwed by the insurance companies. any system in which a corporation is in control of people's health and welfare is completely and utterly fucked, especially if they're hardly regulated.

as compared to having the government in charge of health and welfare? Have you seen how absolutely terrible the US VA healthcare system is? I was rated at 30% disabled after getting out of the military and have free VA healthcare and wouldn't use them to remove a splinter. They use terrible underqualified doctors. The place is set up like a meat market. Your average doctor knows nothing about you at all as a patient. I have drug allergies that could be potentially fatal and more than once have been given medicines that had I not looked up would have likely killed me.

Seriously take a look at the VA healthcare system. That is how the US runs government healthcare. Centralized meat market healthcare. Had a guy I served with who survived being shot in the neck only to die 3 years later having a routine stomach wrap to combat acid reflux.

I spent 10 days in the hospital in 2007 after a surgery and developed fucking staph while in a VA hospital. STAPH IN A HOSPITAL. Have two rather large scars on my back where i had to get my back cut open to drain puss from the staph infection.

Not saying that private healthcare isn't going to fuck you financially if given the chance, but I don't know anyone who would give up their health in exchange for saving money


imo the solution is regulation of the industry imo. not the government taking outright control.

[Phigure]

the problem is, even if you've got your priorities straight and you're insured, you get screwed by the insurance companies. any system in which a corporation is in control of people's health and welfare is completely and utterly fucked, especially if they're hardly regulated.

as compared to having the government in charge of health and welfare? Have you seen how absolutely terrible the US VA healthcare system is? I was rated at 30% disabled after getting out of the military and have free VA healthcare and wouldn't use them to remove a splinter. They use terrible underqualified doctors. The place is set up like a meat market. Your average doctor knows nothing about you at all as a patient. I have drug allergies that could be potentially fatal and more than once have been given medicines that had I not looked up would have likely killed me.

Seriously take a look at the VA healthcare system. That is how the US runs government healthcare. Centralized meat market healthcare. Had a guy I served with who survived being shot in the neck only to die 3 years later having a routine stomach wrap to combat acid reflux.

I spent 10 days in the hospital in 2007 after a surgery and developed fucking staph while in a VA hospital. STAPH IN A HOSPITAL. Have two rather large scars on my back where i had to get my back cut open to drain puss from the staph infection.

Not saying that private healthcare isn't going to fuck you financially if given the chance, but I don't know anyone who would give up their health in exchange for saving money


imo the solution is regulation of the industry imo. not the government taking outright control.

No doubt that all that is pretty fucked, but just because it's being done wrong in the US currently doesn't mean that it can't ever be done right.

the system works fine in plenty of other countries... sure, it might not be quite as easy as it is in smaller, slightly more manageable nations, but it's far from impossible.

[pkay]

No doubt that all that is pretty fucked, but just because it's being done wrong in the US currently doesn't mean that it can't ever be done right.

the system works fine in plenty of other countries... sure, it might not be quite as easy as it is in smaller, slightly more manageable nations, but it's far from impossible.

The level of healthcare in the US is considered much higher than most nations. Just look at the difference in quality between the US and canada.


You can't keep our high level of quality without the money involved. Regulation has to happen


anywho


here is what i got while going to a government facility for foot surgery. developed staph on my back and had to have my back gouged open to remove the puss and other shit that got fucked up

warning this is nasty do not click if you're weak of stomach

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa29 ... o/back.jpg

[Jhonny2x4]

65% of americans have high speed internet
99% of american households have at least one television
73% of american households have cable or satellite television
91% of americans have cell phones
65% of american households have two or more cars

Can you post the source of these statistics just to make sure you are not assuming?

[knell]

it's more like "you'll have to wait 3 months.... but if you didn't spend money on stupid shit like rims for your car, cable television, internet porn, a healthy coke habit, $100 in video games monthly, eating out 4 nights a week, and otherworthless shit you don't need odds are you would have enough money to pay for your car to get fixed.

most americans don't have a healthcare problem. They have a budgeting problem.


kids, the elderly, and the disabled need free healthcare. The rest of us can get one of jobs the richest country on the face of the earth provides.

not disagreeing with you, but all things said and done, american healthcare is retardedly expensive... taking a trip in an ambulance and spending a week in the hospital (god forbid surgery)? might as well buy a new house.

i blame the usual suspects... big pharma, insurance/malpractice insurance, and especially companies like GE that go around forcing hospitals to buy useless upgrades to machines they already have because "your customers will look for the best equipment"

[pkay]

it's more like "you'll have to wait 3 months.... but if you didn't spend money on stupid shit like rims for your car, cable television, internet porn, a healthy coke habit, $100 in video games monthly, eating out 4 nights a week, and otherworthless shit you don't need odds are you would have enough money to pay for your car to get fixed.

most americans don't have a healthcare problem. They have a budgeting problem.


kids, the elderly, and the disabled need free healthcare. The rest of us can get one of jobs the richest country on the face of the earth provides.

not disagreeing with you, but all things said and done, american healthcare is retardedly expensive... taking a trip in an ambulance and spending a week in the hospital (god forbid surgery)? might as well buy a new house.

i blame the usual suspects... big pharma, insurance/malpractice insurance, and especially companies like GE that go around forcing hospitals to buy useless upgrades to machines they already have because "your customers will look for the best equipment"

it all stems from the drug companies. If pharms weren't crazy expensive it would have a trickle down effect that lowered healthcare costs across the board. I think it has to be regulated in order to make shit work in our country.

the problem with government healthcare is that it would lead to government contracts with drug companies. Government contracts with anything are insanely high.

In the military we had a distributor that handled all our electronic components. A single capacitor that costs $.30 at radio shack cost our supply bench stock $12.00. So imagine if the government made a deal for penicillin or prozac or something else that is insanely common. The prices would be nuts.

[pkay]

65% of americans have high speed internet
99% of american households have at least one television
73% of american households have cable or satellite television
91% of americans have cell phones
65% of american households have two or more cars

Can you post the source of these statistics just to make sure you are not assuming?

Internet Source: http://minutebio.com/blog/2010/03/28/ho ... nd-access/ which sourced Digital Nation: 21st Century America’s Progress Toward Universal Broadband Internet Access. You can find the pdf on the site.

TV Source/Satellite Source: http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/med ... -more-tvs/ .... it also shows how many multiple set households there are.... US Census states there are 130 million households in the US, Cable companies to 62 million, satellite to 32 million, some others use those larger satellites

Cell phone source: http://www.ctia.org/advocacy/research/i ... /AID/10316 theres a survey enclosed in that pdf

Cars source: found it on Federal Highway Administration pdf. I'll upload it if you want

[Phigure]

"trickle down"... where have I heard that before

Again, government contracts may be high, but that doesn't mean they have to be. Other governments in the world also have contracts with drug companies without being absolutely ridiculous.

At least we can both agree that even just regulating the system more rigidly would be a great improvement.

[Phigure]

65% of americans have high speed internet
99% of american households have at least one television
73% of american households have cable or satellite television
91% of americans have cell phones
65% of american households have two or more cars

Can you post the source of these statistics just to make sure you are not assuming?

Internet Source: http://minutebio.com/blog/2010/03/28/ho ... nd-access/ which sourced Digital Nation: 21st Century America’s Progress Toward Universal Broadband Internet Access. You can find the pdf on the site.

TV Source/Satellite Source: http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/med ... -more-tvs/ .... it also shows how many multiple set households there are.... US Census states there are 130 million households in the US, Cable companies to 62 million, satellite to 32 million, some others use those larger satellites

Cell phone source: http://www.ctia.org/advocacy/research/i ... /AID/10316 theres a survey enclosed in that pdf

Cars source: found it on Federal Highway Administration pdf. I'll upload it if you want

tons of respect for that. too many people out there like to run their mouth about all sorts of statistics and then don't have shit to back it up. Tip of the hat to you, sir.

[Sirius]

what exactly do yall in the US pay taxes for? homeland security?? foreign invasions?? supporting countries for favours?

glad my country has free hospitals.

!!chea

[collige]

So once again lets concede that the 14% in poverty, the old, the young, the disabled need assistance. The rest of us could easily afford healthcare if we prioritized... we simply choose not to

The government could also easily have the best state-run healthcare in the world if it prioritized too.

[Phigure]

So once again lets concede that the 14% in poverty, the old, the young, the disabled need assistance. The rest of us could easily afford healthcare if we prioritized... we simply choose not to

The government could also easily have the best state-run healthcare in the world if it prioritized too.

amen. how about spending the trillions wasted on the war in iraq towards doing something good for your own people?

[pkay]

So once again lets concede that the 14% in poverty, the old, the young, the disabled need assistance. The rest of us could easily afford healthcare if we prioritized... we simply choose not to

The government could also easily have the best state-run healthcare in the world if it prioritized too.

100% agree but if you prioritize it you compromise something else

The problem with americans is that we want to have our cake and eat it too. Most americans wouldnt give up what it would take to get said healthcare because we all live in the short term.

We aren't sick today, so we don't want to give up our high speed internet because we like to play WoW and counterstrike.

Our country isn't willing to give up its defense spending because it would require us to act like normal human beings instead of the arrogant pricks we are now.