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VSTi Song Contests on DSF?

Post by alphacat » Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:05 pm

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So we've already had the wonderful DSF samplepack contests going more or less successfully for some time now, and I was thinking that perhaps there's room for another kind of contest...

....the freeware VSTi song contest.

I'm sure plenty of you are like me - always hitting KVR and other sites searching for the gems among the dross - and they're definitely out there (Oatmeal, Synth1, StringZ, etc.)

Why not have a little friendly competition to see who can squeeze the wildest/most interesting/most imaginative sounds out of 'em?

Anybody interested?
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Re: VSTi Song Contests on DSF?

Post by marshy » Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:10 pm

Sounds good, how would it work? Would say, 2 synths be chosen and for the certain competition only those 2 can be used? What about internal synths like Logic holds? Also what about percussion and drums?

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Re: VSTi Song Contests on DSF?

Post by wayoftheworld » Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:34 pm

i think it would be a lot more interesting for some of the producers here to contribute a couple tunes each to a pool where everyone can listen, and then have a mix competition for the djs....this would be exposure for both producers AND dj's, which would be pretty cool to see who's really throwing down on the tables here and just generally to see everyones unique style. might be educational for some of the aspiring djs to have a set example of tunes and then see all the different ways they could be mixed.

suggested this a while back but i dont think anyone was interested ha
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Re: VSTi Song Contests on DSF?

Post by alphacat » Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:08 pm

marshy wrote:Sounds good, how would it work? Would say, 2 synths be chosen and for the certain competition only those 2 can be used? What about internal synths like Logic holds? Also what about percussion and drums?
I'll leave it open to consensus from y'all, but my idea was to pick one freeware VSTi (so we don't run out of good ones too quickly ;) ) and everything else is at the participants' discretion - i.e. you can use your own drum samples and anything else, and the VSTi can be used in any way we like for basslines, leads, FX... but also bearing in mind that the point is to showcase that plug and freak the fuck out of it.

Perhaps we should limit the number of instruments used tho - say, only one other synth, or maybe even limiting it to just the featured VSTi in question since re-sampling and manipulation can turn almost any sound into almost any other sound if you're imaginative. Alternately, we could provide a small samplepack to go with it with a break, a random drum machine kit, and some vocal samples or whatever. I'm also open to other ideas tho.

The winner would give a brief description or screenshot or share the finished patch[es] (so we can both learn how that sound got made AND so we know you didn't cheat and use Massive or your vintage Moog or whatever) and then they get to choose the next contest's VSTi .
wayoftheworld wrote:i think it would be a lot more interesting for some of the producers here to contribute a couple tunes each to a pool where everyone can listen, and then have a mix competition for the djs....this would be exposure for both producers AND dj's, which would be pretty cool to see who's really throwing down on the tables here and just generally to see everyones unique style. might be educational for some of the aspiring djs to have a set example of tunes and then see all the different ways they could be mixed.

suggested this a while back but i dont think anyone was interested ha
Actually this is a great idea, but it's also a totally separate premise since it's mix-oriented and not song-oriented (I'm not a DJ, just a producer.) I think you should get this going in the mix forum - and if you do, I promise to submit tunes to be used!

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This idea's been floating around in my head for a while now but recently came to the foreground again 'cuz I've been re-exploring some of my VSTi's and getting pleasantly surprised at sounds I've been getting from plugs that I'd previously discounted as being crap (Donk Machine, anybody? :6: )

I'm also a firm believer in the idea that limitations sometimes can be liberating, as in - when you don't have your huge arsenal of gear and samples and just have to focus on a good song and the resources at hand, that's when you really start growing and improving as a producer.

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Re: VSTi Song Contests on DSF?

Post by hasezwei » Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:12 pm

i'd totally do it but my G4 powerbook doesn't like VST-plugins :cry:

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Re: VSTi Song Contests on DSF?

Post by alphacat » Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:23 pm

hasezwei wrote:i'd totally do it but my G4 powerbook doesn't like VST-plugins :cry:
I have some good news for you my friend...

http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/audio/vfx.html

http://cycling74.com/products/soundflower/

http://sourceforge.net/projects/wacvst/

http://www.fxpansion.com/index.php?page=5


...So the MacHeads can play too, no excuses. :D:
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Re: VSTi Song Contests on DSF?

Post by freakah » Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:26 pm

I actually think it would be more inventive just to make an ENTIRE song out of that VSTi, including drums, percussion, FX, everything!

Been toying with the idea of doing this for a while, just for laughs, would be quite a good competition!

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Re: VSTi Song Contests on DSF?

Post by hasezwei » Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:30 pm

System Requirements

* Mac OS X 10.5 or later
* Intel processor
don't throw salt into my wounds :cry:
no srsly, it's a hopeless case. not even vlc runs anymore after i accidentally allowed it to update.
maybe that soundflower-thingie will work but i doubt it, as i have to freeze all tracks except the one i'm not currently working on to prevent logic from crashing ;)
thanks for looking anyway :) as soon as i have a new laptop i'mma give this a try!

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Re: VSTi Song Contests on DSF?

Post by frank grimes jr. » Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:40 pm

I'll have a go.
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Re: VSTi Song Contests on DSF?

Post by Recessive Trait » Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:00 pm

does it have to be dubstep?

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Re: VSTi Song Contests on DSF?

Post by 3za » Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:32 pm

im down :wink:

i do this a fair bit anyway. normaly with 1 vsti and built-in daw efx's.
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Re: VSTi Song Contests on DSF?

Post by Basic A » Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:53 pm

wayoftheworld wrote:i think it would be a lot more interesting for some of the producers here to contribute a couple tunes each to a pool where everyone can listen, and then have a mix competition for the djs....this would be exposure for both producers AND dj's, which would be pretty cool to see who's really throwing down on the tables here and just generally to see everyones unique style. might be educational for some of the aspiring djs to have a set example of tunes and then see all the different ways they could be mixed.

suggested this a while back but i dont think anyone was interested ha
We can do it on dsf sessions channel if youd like to help set it up.

Me and upstate have been talking about a soundclash for a while, but if you made it a set tune pack then we could keep everyone on a fair page.
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Re: VSTi Song Contests on DSF?

Post by surefya » Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:01 pm

I like the idea, will participate when it starts.

Prefer one or two synths to do everything, maybe except drums. And not sure about external fx. Could be fun to try and make it with only the synth ones.

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Re: VSTi Song Contests on DSF?

Post by silkpantsman » Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:13 pm

yeah gr8 idea but i think it shud really stay true to the idea that your limiting yourself to 1 synth => any sounds you make must come from that synth...i hav nt a fuckin clue how to make drum hits other than the basic how to construct a sound with a synth knowledge but ill def learn if im limiting myself to just that...and thats the point your getting at with progressing.
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Re: VSTi Song Contests on DSF?

Post by volcanogeorge » Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:16 pm

I had this idea yesterday, I wondered whether I could use ONLY Albnino 3 to make a track, as in synthesising all drums, leads etc...

I think it'd be possible :)
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Re: VSTi Song Contests on DSF?

Post by alphacat » Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:06 pm

freakah wrote:I actually think it would be more inventive just to make an ENTIRE song out of that VSTi, including drums, percussion, FX, everything!

Been toying with the idea of doing this for a while, just for laughs, would be quite a good competition!
silkpantsman wrote:yeah gr8 idea but i think it shud really stay true to the idea that your limiting yourself to 1 synth => any sounds you make must come from that synth...i hav nt a fuckin clue how to make drum hits other than the basic how to construct a sound with a synth knowledge but ill def learn if im limiting myself to just that...and thats the point your getting at with progressing.
My opinion - as someone who's figured out successfully how to make drums from practically anything - is that while this would definitely step up the challenge, it's

A) a lot to bite off considering there'll be a relatively short deadline of maybe 2 weeks;
B) might produce a lot of sterile drum sounds just because some synths lend themselves to this process less than others, and
C) could be frustrating for those with a preference for more acoustically "real" sounding drums.

Drum synthesis is kind of its own beast, you know? The idea I stated before (to choose one drum machine from this list, for example, and one break of the organizer's choosing) sounds more and more appealing the more I think about it, but again - I'll defer to you lot.

Speak up! Drum samples provided or everything from the VSTi? And you know, even if we go with provided drum samples - if you want to make percussion sounds from the VSTi too that'd be fine too. I just think requiring it raises the bar a little on the prohibitive side - we want both noobs and old hacks to participate, after all.
volcanogeorge wrote:I had this idea yesterday, I wondered whether I could use ONLY Albnino 3 to make a track, as in synthesising all drums, leads etc...

I think it'd be possible :)
In Albino? Totally - and it'd be easy to do too. But remember, we're talking about freeware VSTi's only... no payware, no cracks. Levels the playing field.
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Absolutely NOT. It can be whatever the fuck ya wanna make. :D

Hasezwei - sorry about your Mac woes. Get that shit sorted and come join us! :twisted:

It's nice to see familiar folks like Frank Grimes, 3za, Surefya interested - not to mention everybody else who's expressed interest. I'm glad you guys are down. This is gonna be fun.

Here's my tentative suggestion then for the rules, but again, only if we get a majority agreement... Whatchoo fink?

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~ Songs can only be made from one drum machine kit and one breakbeat sample (provided by organizer) plus the featured VSTi in question (what about acapellas? Hmmm... -q- ) ;

~ 2 weeks deadline with 1 week of voting;

~ Song run time can be no more than 3 minutes (learned the hard way from the samplepack contests);

~ Winner must provide patch/screenshot/some sort of basic documentation for how sound were made.
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Re: VSTi Song Contests on DSF?

Post by Recessive Trait » Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:40 pm

alphacat wrote:It can be whatever the fuck ya wanna make.
well then i'm fuckin in.
alphacat wrote:Song run time can be no more than 3 minutes
that's really short. i write progressive material and rarely have developed my musical thesis by such a time, let alone be ready to wrap the song. i want it to be something i'll play out; that's the only way i'll give it a full effort. can it not be longer? max 5 mins perhaps?

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Re: VSTi Song Contests on DSF?

Post by nowaysj » Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:52 pm

If you gotta do 5 minutes, just do a radio edit. A skill you might as well develop anyway.
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Where the fuck is Pat? We can't have this contest/thread w/o pat's input.

What about processing on the track? All that should be freeware too, don't you think?

Freeware eq/comp/limiter?

The whole track should be freeware through and through.

EDIT: This includes all fx, everything freeware. Reverb, delay, distortion. Everything.
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Re: VSTi Song Contests on DSF?

Post by alphacat » Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:10 am

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alphacat wrote:It can be whatever the fuck ya wanna make.
well then i'm fuckin in.
alphacat wrote:Song run time can be no more than 3 minutes
that's really short. i write progressive material and rarely have developed my musical thesis by such a time, let alone be ready to wrap the song. i want it to be something i'll play out; that's the only way i'll give it a full effort. can it not be longer? max 5 mins perhaps?
Sweet!

The reason the 3 minute rule evolved was because you'd get like 12 people submitting entries and half of 'em were 7 minutes long or whatever - but almost invariably didn't need to be that long, because there'd be a couple sections that just reiterated a theme (or just straight looped some shit) for two, three minutes at a time; when voters would go to listen to the tunes, 7 x 12 is 84 minutes of listening time for a single competition - something most voters don't have time or inclination for.

Further, those tracks that took a long time to get to the point never fared well in the voting - the idea is more along the lines of "grab my attention and show me what you got."

Finally, and this is only my personal opinion, but I think a good song is a good song and can almost always state and develop the theme in under 2:30 unless you're trying to do classical - remember that this contest showcases sound design more than composition (unlike the samplepack contests); perhaps you can either do your full length opus first and come up with a short edit for the contest, or vice versa (come up with a contest song and then fill it out for your own purposes as you like.) Keeping it reasonably short also makes it easier for everybody to meet the deadline as well.

If this is a showstopper for enough people perhaps we can consider either extending the time limit slightly to something like 4:00 or 4:30, and/or coming up with a ratio based on how many people are going to enter (the more that enter the shorter the time limit, with 3:00 being the lowest it can go.) That's tricky tho since it requires prior commitment, and lord knows how hard that is for many musicians. ;)

[quote="nowaysj"]If you gotta do 5 minutes, just do a radio edit. A skill you might as well develop anyway.
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Where the fuck is Pat? We can't have this contest/thread w/o pat's input.

What about processing on the track? All that should be freeware too, don't you think?

Freeware eq/comp/limiter?

The whole track should be freeware through and through.[/quote]
Thanks for seconding the radio edit idea Nowaysj.

Pardon my dumminess, but who's Pat?

Also, re: processing - I'd thought about that in passing and it's a little tricky, nothing we can't figure out tho - the trick is how to prevent people from using FX that significantly alter the VSTi's inherent qualities such that others couldn't reproduce it by simply reproducing the steps or plugging in the patch the winner came up with.

However, limiting it to only freeware is a good start 'cuz lord knows someone could make a fart sound like an orchestra with some of the payware Multi-FX plugs out there like the Camel Audio VST FX...
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Re: VSTi Song Contests on DSF?

Post by nowaysj » Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:28 am

I don't ever let a synth go straight out w/o some kind of processing/fx'ing.

And all tracks are going to be mixed with eq's/comps/limiters anyway, so might as well make it freeware. I have no self interest in this, as I don't know any freeware, and I'd have a lot of learning to do.

Maybe limit the mixing plugs to antress plugins? I'd like to try them out, they have a lot of emulations, and some of them are supposed to be pretty good.

I say no to daw plugins, far to specific and nontransferable.
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