FAO you Datsik/Excision wannabes

[jaydot]

IMHO they're not "that" good. Not enough to warrant the relentless bumming of them. I prefer my brostep to have a more complex drum pattern and more depth to the bass. And a little additional melody too. , Datsik tracks I've listened to are always kick, snare...kick...kick...snare.... always 1/3 and the basses aren't that aren't to reploicate... one oscillator in use, maybe two at most. I prefer more harmonics, more depth, if you get me. Datsik/Excsion basses are a little on the thin side

Take nothing away from them, they're still dope producers, but I mean.... like. Why does everyone want to make tunes like them so much?

I can reel off loads of brostep and beyond producers that are better producers who don't get the same recognition.

It's getting a bit grating now IMO.

[Basic A]

You have no idea, the can of worms, you just opened.

[wub]

Some people like Kleenex double velvet, some people like Charmin Ultra. At the end of the day, everyone is just wiping their ass.

[Basic A]

So jay, you know you have to post an example of an accurately recreated nuke em/swagga lead or stop chattin shit, right?

[jaydot]

IDK Basic, I probably have left myself open to a backlash but I just thought I'd come out and say it, it's my honest opinion...

Datsik's EP is a work of genius I must say.... like I say I mean no disrespect to them they're still top class producers.

And there's the impressionable factor. They are the first port of call for a lot of dubstep fans due to their massive popularity.

However. I think there's an element in their tracks... that I personally don't really dig anymore. I thought they were the best thing ever when I first heard them.

Maybe though, that they are good at what they do and that is making dancefloor filling, catchy tracks. But there's a lot of brostep producers out there that are as good if not better.

So are they over-rated or the others under-rated??

[Jak The lad]

So jay, you know you have to post an example of an accurately recreated nuke em/swagga lead or stop chattin shit, right?

Please replicate the whole of 'Swagga' so I can give you the thumbs up. I mean, it's easy... right? Not complex, not much depth. Should have it done in an hour.

[wub]

So are they over-rated or the others under-rated??

They're only overrated in the same way that DeadMau5 is overrated - producers who have taken an idea that at it's core is relatively simple, and have made it their own. DeadMau5 produces stadium electro house. It's not especially good electro house, or ground breaking, or particularly complicated. But he's done it and marketed it in such a way that you ask your average teeny bopper what their favourite electro house track is and they'll say Ghosts & Stuff.

I'd written a rant of sorts about this from a previous thread on Mt Eden that got removed, may as well sling it in here instead. [Obviously replace Mt Eden with your producer dislike of choice]

Mt Eden is very successful from a relatively simple idea - making dubstep remixes of big tunes from other genres; the Silence remix is the best example of this IMO. They put them on YouTube, became a success as no one else had done it [or if they had, hadn't marketed it as well online]. It could be argued that it's a bit paint by numbers, but some people like that; these are the people who will listen on YouTube, and send the links on to their friends etc, thus building the buzz.

There is a Mt Eden in nearly every genre; a producer or production act that make themselves a name by knocking out 'cover versions' [for want of a better term] of tracks from other genres. In the hard dance scene, for example, there is a producer called Bootek who only puts out hard techno bootlegs of pop, chart and funky house tracks. He makes all the tracks at 150bpm or thereabouts, and whilst his productions themselves are again paint by numbers, he plays around the world doing a 4 deck 'live remix' DJ set.

There is a difference between hating something, and just not liking it.

[serox]

Its a shame you dont see people starting threads about people like EL-B, Horsepower, Darqwan and Zed Bias they were ahead of the game 10 years ago.

[jaydot]

So jay, you know you have to post an example of an accurately recreated nuke em/swagga lead or stop chattin shit, right?

Please replicate the whole of 'Swagga' so I can give you the thumbs up. I mean, it's easy... right? Not complex, not much depth. Should have it done in an hour.

I realise I was too harsh in my first post. They're production isn't simplistic per se, that's not at all what I was getting at.

But, and this is my main point, wannabe producers these days should look towards "x producer" as opposed to just "Datsik/Excision"

Maybe I'm attacking the brostep scene as a whole, and using them, as ambassaders for the scene, as scapegoats a tad, but I'm just a bit put out that wannabe producers can be so tunnel-visioned to two producers.

Don't get me wrong, like I say they're amazing producers. Admittedly, their drums aren't the most complex though as I say and the other point.

[Electric_Head]

^it starts

[jaydot]

So are they over-rated or the others under-rated??

They're only overrated in the same way that DeadMau5 is overrated - producers who have taken an idea that at it's core is relatively simple, and have made it their own. DeadMau5 produces stadium electro house. It's not especially good electro house, or ground breaking, or particularly complicated. But he's done it and marketed it in such a way that you ask your average teeny bopper what their favourite electro house track is and they'll say Ghosts & Stuff.

I'd written a rant of sorts about this from a previous thread on Mt Eden that got removed, may as well sling it in here instead. [Obviously replace Mt Eden with your producer dislike of choice]

Mt Eden is very successful from a relatively simple idea - making dubstep remixes of big tunes from other genres; the Silence remix is the best example of this IMO. They put them on YouTube, became a success as no one else had done it [or if they had, hadn't marketed it as well online]. It could be argued that it's a bit paint by numbers, but some people like that; these are the people who will listen on YouTube, and send the links on to their friends etc, thus building the buzz.

There is a Mt Eden in nearly every genre; a producer or production act that make themselves a name by knocking out 'cover versions' [for want of a better term] of tracks from other genres. In the hard dance scene, for example, there is a producer called Bootek who only puts out hard techno bootlegs of pop, chart and funky house tracks. He makes all the tracks at 150bpm or thereabouts, and whilst his productions themselves are again paint by numbers, he plays around the world doing a 4 deck 'live remix' DJ set.

There is a difference between hating something, and just not liking it.

Exactly, they are very good at what they do, It's just frustrating the ammount of threads I see on here with people wanting to replicate them so much. But then I would've been the same had I started producing 2 years ago, with Rusko.
Datsik's best track in my opinion is probably his remix of "We Own the Sky" I play it many times a week, and have shown it to friends to try and convert them to the genre (they think that dubstep is "depressing" music, probably thinking it's all wobble)

[Jak The lad]

Maybe I'm attacking the brostep scene as a whole.

You don't wanna do that, they'll get topless and mosh around you.

[serox]

[ironik]

saying they arent that good is a joke.
both of them have big dog status in the dubstep/brostep world

[danoldboy]

It's funny how people look to have a go at the artists as if they themselves enlisted a whole army of talentless 13 year olds to copy a sound they created in their bedrooms 3 years previous.

[obzen]

jay just listened to your tune in your Sig,don't you think your calling the kettle black?
imo i jus think everyone shud just calm down and keep there opinions to themselves about this divide in the community, i personally listen to different types of music depending on what mood im in, if im out with mates i will probs put on some more up beat " brostep " or dnb, but if im on my own and wanting to chill out i will put on some chilled stuff and let the sub bass take me away

[samkablaam]

as someone else pointed out in the last thread that hated on brostep (and there is a lot of them).

i have never heard a datsik, excision, skillrex, mt eden or a bare noize track. it is really easy to not listen to music you dont like. what isnt easy, is to avoid the endless threads that:

1. ask how to make a wob
2. take the piss out of the wob

[Perfecture]

So jay, you know you have to post an example of an accurately recreated nuke em/swagga lead or stop chattin shit, right?

Please replicate the whole of 'Swagga' so I can give you the thumbs up. I mean, it's easy... right? Not complex, not much depth. Should have it done in an hour.

I realise I was too harsh in my first post. They're production isn't simplistic per se, that's not at all what I was getting at.

But, and this is my main point, wannabe producers these days should look towards "x producer" as opposed to just "Datsik/Excision"

Maybe I'm attacking the brostep scene as a whole, and using them, as ambassaders for the scene, as scapegoats a tad, but I'm just a bit put out that wannabe producers can be so tunnel-visioned to two producers.

Don't get me wrong, like I say they're amazing producers. Admittedly, their drums aren't the most complex though as I say and the other point.

I see what you mean about wannabe producers jumping on the Datisk/Excision bandwagon, but when noobs start listening to a style of music for the first time they will jump on whatever the buzz is around at the time as this is usually what they were shown to introduce them to the genre.

[qwaycee_]

you can't say this:

Datsik tracks I've listened to are always kick, snare...kick...kick...snare.... always 1/3 and the basses aren't that aren't to reploicate... one oscillator in use, maybe two at most. I prefer more harmonics, more depth, if you get me. Datsik/Excsion basses are a little on the thin side

and then backpedal and say this:

Datsik's EP is a work of genius I must say.... like I say I mean no disrespect to them they're still top class producers...Don't get me wrong, like I say they're amazing producers. Admittedly, their drums aren't the most complex though as I say and the other point.

well, i suppose you can, because you just did.


whatever, i'm out of this one.

...and no i aint defending brostep here.

[Basic A]

Prediction:

Datsik or Excision shows up and posts in thread, being thier typical, friendly, tolerant selves.

Jaydot goes OMG Im sorry guise!!!

Alpaca pictures.

Sharm locks it.

Another day on DSF.