Automatic Audio Mastering System...

[freakah]

http://www.curioza.com/

Just discovered this whilst looking around about mastering audio...

Immediately pon the d/l, looks fairly interesting, I'm getting it to master 5 of my unsigned tunes at the minute, going to see how it performs!

Going to upload clips of before/after when they're done, anyone seen/heard/used this before?!

EDIT: IM JUST TRYING THE PROGRAM OUT TO SEE HOW IT COMPARES TO A HUMAN MASTERING ENGINEER, I'M NOT GOING TO USE IT TO "MASTER" MY TRACKS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, so don't bother flamin me bout it

[deadly_habit]

[therook]

Why not just use ozone?

[qwaycee_]

AAMS Analyzer calculates automaticly music sound material, showing the differences between Source and Reference (Matching). Presented in a 5hz to 20Khz Spectrum Display, Equalization Suggestion, Multiband Compression Suggestionand Loudness Suggestion. Process Info Displays are automaticly generated and passed to the DSP-Processors. You can setup AAMS in a few steps and AAMS will generate a new master on the fly.

Check your music against other musical styles! With the allready available 100+ Reference Style Database selecting a good matching Reference is easy and is a good headstart. AAMS can offer endless possibilities for Analyzing Audio, Mixing and Mastering. With the Reference Parametric EQ it is easy to adjust the Reference, so you can add a touch of EQ in the process. You can pre-listen on the DSP-Player and select a good Reference in real time. When the Reference is saved you can use it for the rest of your audio material and have your own sound. You can also generate a new Reference Style from scratch with AAMS.

Now you can listen to what you expect!

[deadly_habit]

Why not just learn how to properly mixdown and basic mastering?

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[freakah]

No no no don't misunderstand me I'm just checking it out purely to see if a machine/program can master better than a real mastering engineer.

I've been told my mixdowns are pretty good (to me they're gettin better with every tune), and I understand basic mastering before I get a billion 'OMG LULZ AT THIS GUY USIN A PROGRAM TO MASTER HIS TUNEZ'

I just wanna see how anyone could have written a program that could effectively master audio, just an experiment!!

[3za]

Can someone please make software that writes tracks for me, then mixs them, then master them, then send to the pressing plant, then cuts them, then sends them to the distributor, then sells them, and does all the marketing at the same time.

Machines FTW

[bum robot]

no everyone is a dick and trying to show them something different which is obviously some bullshit experiment i would never try is no good idk why you would have done this to yourself dont post up more of your "crazy" ideas noones gonna like them, you may even give one of these guys a heart attack talking bout machines mastering shit for you i mean come on man, you might as well own your own alpaca farm at this stage.

[freakah]

no everyone is a dick and trying to show them something different which is obviously some bullshit experiment i would never try is no good idk why you would have done this to yourself dont post up more of your "crazy" ideas noones gonna like them, you may even give one of these guys a heart attack talking bout machines mastering shit for you i mean come on man, you might as well own your own alpaca farm at this stage.

No no no don't misunderstand me I'm just checking it out purely to see if a machine/program can master better than a real mastering engineer.

I've been told my mixdowns are pretty good (to me they're gettin better with every tune), and I understand basic mastering before I get a billion 'OMG LULZ AT THIS GUY USIN A PROGRAM TO MASTER HIS TUNEZ'

I just wanna see how anyone could have written a program that could effectively master audio, just an experiment!!

Just doin it to see how they have supposedly written a program that can master audio, that's all.

[bum robot]

hey hear me out i wasnt being a dick and i found your original post a bit interesting at first, but to these guys they will flip out hearing shit like this even if your just trying it out for laughs to see what it can do, save yourself the bashing and just stop now, idk why everyone is a dick when they can easily have a simple conversation or just tell you that this is complete bollocks and mastering things yourself is the right thing which it is so sorry but what you posted is complete bollocks to these guys, again no hate just letting you know theres lots of dicks here that would rather be an asshole then just tell you that it sucks and that your dumb lol

[freakah]

hey hear me out i wasnt being a dick and i found your original post a bit interesting at first, but to these guys they will flip out hearing shit like this even if your just trying it out for laughs to see what it can do, save yourself the bashing and just stop now, idk why everyone is a dick when they can easily have a simple conversation or just tell you that this is complete bollocks and mastering things yourself is the right thing which it is so sorry but what you posted is complete bollocks to these guys, again no hate just letting you know theres lots of dicks here that would rather be an asshole then just tell you that it sucks and that your dumb lol

Nah mate I get ya, and I understand why everyone would be like 'WTF'?! Cos that's what I was like and still am having seen the site.

I've just downloaded the trail and using it to master a few WAVs to see what it's like compared to:

a) My own basic poor masters of my own tunes
b) A genuine master done by a genuine human mastering engineer when I get them mastered

Just for an experiment, the original post was badly worded, I'm never gonna use it to master my shit or buy it or whatever, was just intrigued by what it claims to be able to do...my bad on the poor wording

[bum robot]

hey hear me out i wasnt being a dick and i found your original post a bit interesting at first, but to these guys they will flip out hearing shit like this even if your just trying it out for laughs to see what it can do, save yourself the bashing and just stop now, idk why everyone is a dick when they can easily have a simple conversation or just tell you that this is complete bollocks and mastering things yourself is the right thing which it is so sorry but what you posted is complete bollocks to these guys, again no hate just letting you know theres lots of dicks here that would rather be an asshole then just tell you that it sucks and that your dumb lol

Nah mate I get ya, and I understand why everyone would be like 'WTF'?! Cos that's what I was like and still am having seen the site.

I've just downloaded the trail and using it to master a few WAVs to see what it's like compared to:

a) My own basic poor masters of my own tunes
b) A genuine master done by a genuine human mastering engineer when I get them mastered

Just for an experiment, the original post was badly worded, I'm never gonna use it to master my shit or buy it or whatever, was just intrigued by what it claims to be able to do...my bad on the poor wording

yeah give me a heads up on this it does sound really interesting THAT they have made something to master for you, i think one good way it could be used is for somebody that doesnt know how to master and if this thing is anywhere decent they can match up their master and this things master and see the difference inbetween the two, or if its anywhere decent you could let it master something for you and you can jus fix the little bits here and there but this would totally be for the lazy producer at hand, i love mastering my own tracks but this is very curious to me

[freakah]

hey hear me out i wasnt being a dick and i found your original post a bit interesting at first, but to these guys they will flip out hearing shit like this even if your just trying it out for laughs to see what it can do, save yourself the bashing and just stop now, idk why everyone is a dick when they can easily have a simple conversation or just tell you that this is complete bollocks and mastering things yourself is the right thing which it is so sorry but what you posted is complete bollocks to these guys, again no hate just letting you know theres lots of dicks here that would rather be an asshole then just tell you that it sucks and that your dumb lol

Nah mate I get ya, and I understand why everyone would be like 'WTF'?! Cos that's what I was like and still am having seen the site.

I've just downloaded the trail and using it to master a few WAVs to see what it's like compared to:

a) My own basic poor masters of my own tunes
b) A genuine master done by a genuine human mastering engineer when I get them mastered

Just for an experiment, the original post was badly worded, I'm never gonna use it to master my shit or buy it or whatever, was just intrigued by what it claims to be able to do...my bad on the poor wording

yeah give me a heads up on this it does sound really interesting THAT they have made something to master for you, i think one good way it could be used is for somebody that doesnt know how to master and if this thing is anywhere decent they can match up their master and this things master and see the difference inbetween the two, or if its anywhere decent you could let it master something for you and you can jus fix the little bits here and there but this would totally be for the lazy producer at hand, i love mastering my own tracks but this is very curious to me

Yeah that's what my thinking was behind it, and the only reason why I posted it on here, cos it's basically unheard of and really threw me to see that someone somewhere wrote a program that is supposedly able to effectively master a track...

I always roughly master my own tracks and then hand it over to a real mastering engineer when I can so I'd never use this shit properly, it just intrigued me as to whether it actually did anything or not, the wording of my original post was shite yeah I realise that now lol.

Anyway, it's doing it's thing at the moment - you can choose fully automatic master, semi-automatic master and manual master, I'm just running fully automatic, and using it's own 'Electronica' reference preset as the reference point, I think you can use analysis of another MP3 or whatever but I haven't discovered how to do that, so I will let you know what this thing does...

[freakah]

Ok, so I've just had it master my latest tune, here's a screen capture of Audacity showing the waveforms:


Top one is the unmastered WAV

Middle one is mastered by me

Bottom one is "mastered" by this program

Audio:
Soundcloud

First 30 secs: Unmastered
Second 30 secs: Self-Master
Third 30 secs: "Mastered" by this program

[Basic A]

Its just a reference matcher and limiter, stop tweaking out and read the manual everyone jeez. Limitng, youll do it better yourself freakah, and there are alot of better, well recognized a-b eq curve matchers out there (ozone, ect.)... Fail plugin, not all that though.

Freakah you made that post before I could get here, but already I see a problem, you need to turn your mixdown up to an equal peak db, and then compare waveforms.

also, looking at that, the dynamics are big chunky squares and the second verse is in a complete different range, you would need to zoom in far enough to see cycles and individual peaks to make an accurate judgement though

[freakah]

Its just a reference matcher and limiter, stop tweaking out and read the manual everyone jeez. Limitng, youll do it better yourself freakah, and there are alot of better, well recognized a-b eq curve matchers out there (ozone, ect.)... Fail plugin, not all that though.

Freakah you made that post before I could get here, but already I see a problem, you need to turn your mixdown up to an equal peak db, and then compare waveforms.

also, looking at that, the dynamics are big chunky squares and the second verse is in a complete different range, you would need to zoom in far enough to see cycles and individual peaks to make an accurate judgement though

Gettin on that image basic...

I'm never gonna use this I can't stress that enough, I just found what it promised intriguing and was just interested how it compares...

EDIT: here's some waveforms with everything normalized:

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/8766 ... arison.png

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/2777 ... rison2.png


Listening to it, between my self-master and itself' all it seems to have done is slightly more compression, more limiting, and a bit of EQ in the midrange (only listening on headphones atm though)...fairly interesting experiment!

[therook]

Why not just learn how to properly mixdown and basic mastering?

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Right on the money!

[alphacat]

Even though this is one of those apps a lot of us are thinking is probably bogus, I'd be interested in hearing an A/B if anyone here downloads the trial. Can't hurt, right?

[EDN]

Yeah I mean it's an idea at least... However given that mastering is subjective I don't see this technology going a great deal further though, which is kind of a shame on one hand but kind of a good thing on the other.
If anyone has any tunes they have had professionally mastered, stick the mix down through here and give us an A/B... unfortunately I'm too poor.......

[alphacat]

FWIW this thing has gone free, if you wanna give it a spin yrself.

http://bedroomproducersblog.com/2013/04 ... s-welcome/


Found this comment interesting:

So, I played a bit with this tool and have to admit it is really complex. In my opinion this is a well thought out mastering suite. Ok, the auto mastering isn’t that 100% but for analyzing and comparing with reference tracks it is ok. Human mastering engineers also use reference tracks for comparing. And if you are not happy with the auto mastering you can still tweak the different stages manually. And here starts the fun.

Except for the nice anylysing tools you have an eq-stage a compressor-stage and a loudness-stage. All three of them blew my mind.

In all three stages you can tweak the left and right side individually. The eq can have up to 100 bands and there are different settings like “aams 50 band graphic eq” or “alesis 24 band graphic eq” and so on. The compressor-stage can have up to 8 bands. And same here. Tons of settings and the possibility to tweak the left and rght side individually. The loudness-stage is also really complex. Here you have a rms-limiter a peak-limiter and a brickwall-limiter. There are different presets for maximal, average and minimal loudness. The option to export the different stages inividually is a nice feature. So you can only process the eq-stage or the other two stages onto your audio material.

There is much more to explore and aams isn’t that bad for mastering purposes. I think I’ll use it for learning and understanding mastering and as a suporting tool for my productions.

I think it sounds like anyone trying to use this as a "set it and forget it" auto-matronic mastering doohickey 3000 will fail for obvious reasons. But used in manual mode it could have potential.