drake89 wrote:I don't believe Aphex twin is classically trained, so I think that most of his complexities are rhythmic and textural. I would be quite suprised if venitian snares isn't classically trained, but a lot of his complexities are rhythmic also.
Rhythm is part of music theory, something that hasn't been discussed so far.
Yes, there are at least three seperate things going on here...
Some stuff is melodically / harmonically complex. This isn't the same as having a prominent melody and 99.999% of 'melodic dubstep' isn't it.
Some stuff is melodically / harmonically simple but rhythmically or texturally complex. Arguably a lot of electronic music is near the forefront here, excluding a few things like free improv or music concrete.
Some stuff isn't complex in any sense but is sophisticated and subtle. For instance, Aphex's drill and bass stuff is more rhythmically complex than most James Brown stuff, but I'd argue that Clyde Stubblefield was more of a rhythmic genius than AFX for just being so damn funky. Similarly, I'd rate Keith Richards as more of a melodic genius than a lot of technical metal wonks, because he could write an incredible riff using three chords. I think this is where a lot of electronic music fits in - Shackleton's drum programming isn't complex in the same way that Venetian Snares is, but it's very very good.
On an unrelated note, I'd reckon that several Mars Volta songs are on par with that symphony (though I haven't listened to it yet).
I have to admit I'm sceptical, although I am a bit of a Mahler fanboy...