“I’m a ghost-writer, I’m the cat you don’t see / I write hits for rappers you like and charge ’em a fee” Mad Skillz 'Ghostwriter'
When a songwriter pens a song for a recording artist, it’s generally publicly acknowledged. In most cases, their name will be included in the official recording credits. Of course, cynical record labels sometimes pay the songwriters to keep schtum and waive all rights in order to make their recording artist seem more talented. As Mad Skillz explains, many big-name rappers have their lyrics written for them by a ghostwriter. But these rappers actually perform the lyrics that have been penned in their name, (Dr Dre being one of the most famous examples), bringing them to life with their own talent.
Most of this is common knowledge. What isn’t common knowledge, though, is that some of the biggest names in house and techno – and further afield in electronic music – have tracks entirely ghostwritten for them by other producers, with absolutely no input of their own whatsoever. I’d heard tales of some of the biggest names in trance having production teams behind them for years, but I naively thought that the underground house and tech scene was far too authentic, genuine, credible and brimming with passion and integrity for it to be prevalent there. How wrong I was. The list I’ve heard of the guilty parties – cited by both ghostwriters and industry friends and colleagues of ghostwriters – is pretty shocking. From label bosses from some of the biggest imprints in Germany and the UK to upcoming producers on the London underground scene making a name for themselves on respected labels, to people duping acclaimed imprints with ghosted remixes, the practice is rife.
ENGINEERING DEGREES
Aspiring ‘producers’ have been working with studio engineers for years to help realise the sounds in their head without having the requisite technical knowledge or training. It’s how I started making music, and how countless others did and continue to do so. These are collaborative partnerships, however; the artist comes up with the lion’s share of the integral ideas, while the engineer brings them to life. Obviously there are varying degrees of this set-up: from Loco Dice’s very open and
fruitful partnership with Martin Buttrich to a small credit for the engineer on a record sleeve, to no mention whatsoever under the ‘composing’ artist’s name. At the
least, these engineers will be publicly acknowledged by said artist when they are pressed about their skills.
Such relationships date back to the early days of electronica, and the gulf that new technology opened up between the musically gifted and the technically savvy. As the lines began to blur between producers, composers and studio engineers, so the permutations of division of labour in the process of making music increased. I have here an email from a ‘Professional Ghost Production Studio’ offering the following: “Full tracks/songs/remixes/edits/music (house genres and sub genres: house, techno, tech-house, deep-house, minimal and many more). Confidentiality is 100 per cent assured, from €200 to €350 per track/remix”.
You’d imagine that any individual offering ghostwriting services would be keeping their involvement hush-hush. But short of naming their clients, many are surprisingly forthcoming and even self-promoting. Some brazenly advertise their services on their Facebook profile, or leave comments on Soundcloud about their services. Hypercolour boss and acclaimed producer Alex Jones is a reformed ghostwriter, and vitriolic about the topic these days. “I think it’s a fucking joke,” he says with typical candour. “I have done it in the past because I needed money. More often than not the client will ask you to ‘make a bomb’ – a silly phrase – and to ‘do it in one day for £150/£200 (also it would be really good if we could get a second one done in our time together)’. Firstly, if I could write a ‘bomb’ in a day, I wouldn’t be sitting here with you. Secondly, I’d never say I’d written a ‘bomb’ because, when you use the term ‘bomb’ you actually mean ‘get me to the top of the Beatport charts so I can fly around the world, see my picture in magazines and generally raise my social status’. Sadly, DJing and more recently ‘producing’ has become just another fashion accessory. You’ll generally find people like this high- fiving other people more famous than themselves in DJ booths and making damn sure they’re getting their photo taken alongside them.” He goes on: “I taught myself how to make the music I make from scratch. It’s taken me years of trial and error, sleepless nights, angry neighbours and genuine sacrifice, and to be fair, it still doesn’t always sound perfect! But it does sound like me.”
THE GHOST’S VIEW
I accept that it’s incredibly difficult to make a living from being a producer these days. I’m not the type to leave a comfortable job in pursuit of a full-time production career until I know that producing and DJing could generate enough income to support me. I think it’s admirable that others take the leap of faith and try and make it work however they can, but I personally think ghostwriting is a cop-out. I’m sure most of us have had to do things we don’t totally agree with to earn a crust, but art – something that is supposed to be personal, from the heart, genuine – should be viewed differently, surely?
I speak to Timo Garcia, a successful producer, prominent engineer and occasional ghostwriter, who reels off a whole list of labels that have signed tracks that he engineered. For all his apparent success in his own career, the bills don’t add up, and he engineers and ghostwrites to keep his head above water. “I can’t say who, but I wrote four tracks from scratch last week for someone in the UK. I have also ghostwritten tracks for people in Australia the US and India. It’s just like engineering, but with more freedom because I’m doing it alone,” he says, possibly missing the irony of that statement. “It’s morally questionable but has been going on for years, and in many other industries too: plays, films and books all have a history of ghostwriting. And I have to find a lot of money every month to pay my studio rent, and I have to find ways to cover that, what with all the illegal downloading and lack of payment from even the biggest labels for releases. And I can see why DJs want to use engineers like me to write and produce music for them in the style they play. It’s a way for them to get their foot on the next rung up the ladder to fame and fortune. “When I was at my London studio I spent over sixteen thousand pounds on rent alone, so without engineering I would never be able to survive,” he continues. “I’ve had over sixty engineering clients and some are amazing producers with lots of ideas and an exact sound they want to achieve, but some are much less knowledgeable and just bring the Beatport or RA Top 10 and a sample of an old record and say, ‘I want one like that using this sample’ and let me get on with it, stopping occasionally to refer back to the reference tracks to make sure I’m going in the right direction. Some just send the reference tracks and samples over the net. I’m never sure who is really clued up and how much is just me doing my thing. But either way, I know for sure that I would have had to jack it all in a while ago if I didn’t write, produce, and engineer for others. It’s the only way I can survive.”
As someone trying to make a name for themselves, it kills me to hear that people are buying tracks to put their name to when I and countless other hopefuls have spent hundreds of hours learning how to produce and making tracks, fitting it around full-time and part-time jobs. If you haven’t got the time to produce, you don’t deserve to have a production ‘career’. Same goes if you can’t be bothered to put the effort in to learn or to work with an engineer. Same goes if you don’t have any ideas or talent for making music. It’s something that you have to earn. Speaking of earnings, who gets the publishing and performance monies from the release of a ghostwritten records? Some of the ghostwriters I speak to claim they receive full royalties from their ghostwritten tracks as they would if they were released under their own name. This means that if you take a look through the (public) databases of the PRS and the PPL (the organisations responsible for collecting money for public broadcast and performance of music in the UK), you can see who really wrote certain records. Finding cases where the ghostwriter didn’t receive any further financial remuneration after their initial pay-off is more challenging.
Maceo Plex, another former ghost-writer and now one of the biggest names in underground house and techno, has been outspoken on the subject, but when I catch up with him he seems to have mellowed a bit. “In a way I think it’s fucked up, but on the other hand I’ve never been in the other person’s situation” he says. “You can imagine there are some pretty amazing DJs that just can’t write music, and we’re at a time right now where if you don’t write your own music and you don’t have your own records out, it’s difficult to get any attention. So I kind of understand why there are people out there who seek out ghostwriters. It’s a really messy situation in the industry right now, because on one hand there are DJs who can DJ really well but can’t produce, putting out records under their name that are not really them producing, and on the other hand there are really amazing producers that aren’t getting the respect and the gigs and the attention they deserve because the scene is so filled with people that don’t write their own music.”
DJ CALLING CARD
It’s true that in the vast, vast majority of cases, talented DJs can’t make a name for themselves these days unless they produce – with occasional anomalies like Jackmaster and Oneman, who have succeeded by dint of being both excellent selectors and closely tied with rising musical movements (the Glasgow bass scene and Rinse FM respectively). The game, for better of for worse, has changed, and the skill-set required to succeed with it. But being an excellent DJ has never guaranteed success on its own. If you don’t have the requisite skills to do both, or the nous, timing and fortune to succeed as a pure DJ, you shouldn’t be able to buy that privilege. It’s not a right. Certain vocations develop in their requirements as times change, and if you’ve got the passion and dedication to be, say, a vet or a chef or a lawyer, you will roll with the punches and learn the skills that those roles require, even if they put you out of your comfort zone or aren’t 100 per cent in tune with your natural abilities.
I accept that DJing and producing or composing demand different talents, but there is clearly a lot of crossover there. And perhaps in these days of Beatport and file-sharing, a DJ’s own productions should be viewed as those killer, signature records that DJs of yore had to painstakingly hunt down in order to make their sets unique – or at least ahead of the curve.
I’m in a position now where some of my biggest musical heroes are playing my records, and some of my favourite labels are signing my productions up. But this didn’t happen overnight. I spent a year producing with an engineer, then two years working in collaborative partnerships with people who could use the tools, then three months juggling an evening class with a full-time and part-time jobs so that I could learn to produce by myself. Since then I’ve been disciplined in spending enough time every week making music – on top of full-time and part-time jobs, and a semblance of a social life – to ensure I have a constant output and am always making progress with my production career. I’ve had to sacrifice a lot of free time, money, socialising and relaxing to do so. It doesn’t come naturally to me. I find it very hard work. But I am immensely proud of and satisfied with the end result, and constantly motivated to better myself. And if these poor, supposedly super-talented DJs don’t have the skills to produce themselves, why not at least give the creator of the track some credit and cite them as a collaborator on the track or as an engineer? They’d still get the exposure and the glory, but the ghostwriter would at least get some props. It seems like a happy medium. “Some people just aren’t very good at putting together sounds and making things sound right – but have really amazing ideas and work really hard on the music they do with the engineer,” says Maceo Plex. “But there are other people that just have the money to buy the tracks, and that’s kind of a virus in the industry right now, that we’ve got to get rid of. If you think that a lot of these big commercial people make their own music, you’re living on another fucking planet! I always thought that maybe in the underground this wasn’t respected or appreciated, and that it wouldn’t become such a problem... but eventually it did.”
There’s no end in sight to this ‘virus’, as Maceo Plex calls it. If the guilty parties were exposed, he believes that ghostwriting would still continue but that ghostwriters would be forced to sign legally binding agreements to ensure they never reveal their patrons’ identities to anyone. As long as there’s an need for DJs to use productions as a calling card and promotional tool, the scourge will continue. I didn’t write this article to gossip or spread rumours, or to name and shame anyone. I just want the dance music-loving public to know that this is something that goes on, and I want those having tracks ghostwritten for them – and those doing the ghost-writing too – to maybe take a step back and think about their integrity. At the end of the day, there’s no greater buzz than watching a dancefloor full of people reacting to music that you have toiled over for hours and created yourself – and if you’re only playing make-believe, using someone else’s hard work, then I feel genuinely sorry for you.
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Re: Ghostwriting
interesting but not too surprising, would be interesting to know exactly how much input Goldie had on timeless, in interviews he's said things like he would go in with an idea or sample and tell the engineer what to do.
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Re: Ghostwriting
It does irritate me to know that people do just hire people to make them tracks, but I guess it's similar in a way to most pop-stars or modern bands - they sing or play the shit but everything else is done by an engineer. If you're a damn good DJ/Live performer and can come up with good ideas, but suck at producing I guess it makes sense in a way.
Re: Ghostwriting
Really interesting topic. I can understand why DJs especially would want to engage in it, but it is still a matter of integrity. If a guy has his name stamped on a release, then people expect that guy to have created the track, with minimal input from others. All you are doing by using ghost writers is cheating your fan base.
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Re: Ghostwriting
every song released on hyperdub was made by a man named adam klein. he is in his 50s and lives a comfortable life in california. he used to do production for hall and oates. all of the artists are chosen for their special personalities and he gets 30% before distro fees. his favorite show is twin peaks and he enjoys his work too
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hey rayman, youre playng a nice set atmatlascesar wrote:every song released on hyperdub was made by a man named adam klein. he is in his 50s and lives a comfortable life in california. he used to do production for hall and oates. all of the artists are chosen for their special personalities and he gets 30% before distro fees. his favorite show is twin peaks and he enjoys his work too
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you know, this really doesn't suprise me. It should but it doesn't. I think ghost writing was a silly idea in a way, I don't really understand why producers wouldn't go out themselves for exposure. I guess if you can't DJ like me, but you love producing that would make sense for money in a way. Yet I still feel like it'd be better just to be like "Collab'd with and actually collab rather than selling your own made tracks.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, it'd be better to just find a few people you enjoy hanging around and making music with and make music with them.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, it'd be better to just find a few people you enjoy hanging around and making music with and make music with them.
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Not even trying anymore dude.atlascesar wrote:every song released on hyperdub was made by a man named adam klein. he is in his 50s and lives a comfortable life in california. he used to do production for hall and oates. all of the artists are chosen for their special personalities and he gets 30% before distro fees. his favorite show is twin peaks and he enjoys his work too
That entire sentence made sense.





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I know so many DJs that have been big in the local scene for years upon years (decades in some cases) that are just starting to produce their own tracks... I sure as hell hope this doesn't start happening. It's nice to see people build up and progress, actually learn how to make the music. It's not nearly as easy but I personally could not play a track that isn't mine and claim it to be. That's like rolling up in le louvre, getting to the mona lisa, scribbling out Leonardo da Vinci and slapping your name on there 

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Electric_Head wrote:Not even trying anymore dude.atlascesar wrote:every song released on hyperdub was made by a man named adam klein. he is in his 50s and lives a comfortable life in california. he used to do production for hall and oates. all of the artists are chosen for their special personalities and he gets 30% before distro fees. his favorite show is twin peaks and he enjoys his work too
That entire sentence made sense.
and i am so much thanking you for the kind words! i have chosen these words from a book in the wikipeadia inside the CHAMBER OF SECRETS.
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good linksully.harmitage wrote:^^^
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Re: Ghostwriting
brilliantatlascesar wrote:Electric_Head wrote:Not even trying anymore dude.atlascesar wrote:every song released on hyperdub was made by a man named adam klein. he is in his 50s and lives a comfortable life in california. he used to do production for hall and oates. all of the artists are chosen for their special personalities and he gets 30% before distro fees. his favorite show is twin peaks and he enjoys his work too
That entire sentence made sense.
and i am so much thanking you for the kind words! i have chosen these words from a book in the wikipeadia inside the CHAMBER OF SECRETS.

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This goes on almost any electronic music genre, not just the commercial genres. I was asked lately to ghostwrite a track for a pretty big German techno artist, who wanted to release tracks with 'that big electro house sound', but after listening to his music I found out that he probably wasn't capable himself. At first I said yes, spend some time on a tune, but then before sending it over thought about sending it to some labels first. The track got picked up by a label in the US and is now being released soon under MY OWN NAME.
I thought about this whole ghostwriting stuff and I think it is okay to a certain point, nothing wrong with some producers helping you with making your stuff better, but having someone else produce entire tracks? NO!
I thought about this whole ghostwriting stuff and I think it is okay to a certain point, nothing wrong with some producers helping you with making your stuff better, but having someone else produce entire tracks? NO!
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What??Hypefiend wrote:brilliantatlascesar wrote:Electric_Head wrote:Not even trying anymore dude.atlascesar wrote:every song released on hyperdub was made by a man named adam klein. he is in his 50s and lives a comfortable life in california. he used to do production for hall and oates. all of the artists are chosen for their special personalities and he gets 30% before distro fees. his favorite show is twin peaks and he enjoys his work too
That entire sentence made sense.
and i am so much thanking you for the kind words! i have chosen these words from a book in the wikipeadia inside the CHAMBER OF SECRETS.





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links + names plsARTFX wrote:This goes on almost any electronic music genre, not just the commercial genres. I was asked lately to ghostwrite a track for a pretty big German techno artist, who wanted to release tracks with 'that big electro house sound', but after listening to his music I found out that he probably wasn't capable himself. At first I said yes, spend some time on a tune, but then before sending it over thought about sending it to some labels first. The track got picked up by a label in the US and is now being released soon under MY OWN NAME.
I thought about this whole ghostwriting stuff and I think it is okay to a certain point, nothing wrong with some producers helping you with making your stuff better, but having someone else produce entire tracks? NO!
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Re: Ghostwriting
in the broadest sense we all got our "ghostwriters". consider this: how much of the work is done by those that have written the software or samples u use? the actual artist is nothing more than the last part in a long chain of production steps that have preceded his own part in it and without which the final product, the tune, couldn't possibly exist. in fact it has become very very easy to make a good sounding tune with given software and samplepacks.
in the end the artists have to choose a certain level of "ghostwriting" they want to comply to. this is a question that is far more interesting: what are you guys really doing urselves - what is the work of others?
in the end the artists have to choose a certain level of "ghostwriting" they want to comply to. this is a question that is far more interesting: what are you guys really doing urselves - what is the work of others?
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