Hi, I am new to Dubstep and music production! (Link to tune)

serox · Post by **serox** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:57 am

Hi, I am new to Dubstep and music production! As I am here I thought I would share my first attempt at making Dubstep. Your criticism is more than welcome!

v2.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=UJZY7C7S

flippo · Post by **flippo** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:33 am

not critisism as such, but that's definatley not dubstep!

more industrial techno or something.

have you heard much dubstep?

serox · Post by **serox** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:52 am

fliPPo wrote:not critisism as such, but that's definatley not dubstep!

more industrial techno or something.

have you heard much dubstep?

ha. Funny you say that. I am coming from a Techno background. I see a lot of similarities in Dubsep and Techno produciton. This is not Techno really at all and definitely not industrial Techno. This might be a bit harsher than most I would agree. I was under the impression Dubstep was quite open and there was not that many rules set in stone with production. Maybe you can point out to me what the beat is missing?

Have I heard much Dubstep? dont know how to answer that really, how much have I heard, compared to who? I have listened to quite a bit I think in the short time I have had with it.

Have you heard much Industrial Techno?:) I have about 400 peices of plastic of what is known as Industrial Techno.

barryhercules · Post by **barryhercules** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:48 am

if i was gonna categorise it i'd put it in the techno section

serox · Post by **serox** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:56 am

barryhercules wrote:if i was gonna categorise it i'd put it in the techno section

hmmm. I think a lot of the Dubstep I have heard has what I would call Techno elements. I often hear percussion and basslines that are the same as in whats in Techno. I picked up that part of the tune was say at 140bpm (norm basslines) and other parts were half tempo.

Correct me where I am wrong please, I am new to this.

vadarfone · Post by **vadarfone** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:13 pm

That was alright mate, for your first go.

It was a nice cross-over track between dubstep and techno.

All good. I would stay it was defo on the dubstep side too. It is just missing the massive snare and basic drum structure of a lot of dubstep (not that you should change it!)

Stick making what you want to dude; dont try to make something you think will fit into a certain catagory. if this is the kind of thing you like to make, then make it! I would listen to your stuff again definitely.

serox · Post by **serox** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:46 pm

Thanks. Yes I will always just make what I am feeling at the time. I am not making music for money or to impress. I do it cos I like it and its fun!

I am just curious as to what is missing from my beat that Dubstep has. Please dont say its missing the "Dubstep feel"

vadarfone · Post by **vadarfone** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:57 pm

well basically your beat doesnt go...

Boom...........BASHHHHhhhh.....Boom boom........Tick........BASHHHHhhhhhh

serox · Post by **serox** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:04 pm

vadarfone wrote:well basically your beat doesnt go...

Boom...........BASHHHHhhhh.....Boom boom........Tick........BASHHHHhhhhhh

true. I wil clean things up later when I finish work and see whats going on. I put these drums down in about 15mins btw. I have never made anything like this before.

flippo · Post by **flippo** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:09 pm

well mate, I really think you should make whatever comes out and not worry about what genre it is. Best results will be ensured. You influecnes should come naturally and organically rather than 'right im going to be a dubstep producer'

but, if I was to justify my comment.

mainly the way the kick drum sits out infront of everything, and has so many hits per bar. Seems like a classic techno style kick to me, maybe on the deep side but still. Also that lead is straight up acid techno I think. The whole tune just has that kinda constant relentless drive that alot (not all) of styles of techno has. I find dubstep more or less sneaks up on you and holds it's cards close to it's chest if that makes ANY sense at all heh. You kinda have to activley listen to dubstep, kinda have to dive into the rythem and space to find what the tune is about. It's not so obvious (appart from ravey in you face style that is popular these days I guess, but that dosen't really feel like dubstep to me either) Techno is more up front and look this is whats going on in this tune see and gives it to you, which is how I feel about this tune.

Also there is not alot of sub at all, and no b-line. Of course there are wicked tunes that are kinda accepted in the vein of dubstep that don't really have a bline and don't have deep heavy sub, but they have a certain vibe. I know I'm being vague but there basically arent alot of words I can use without just saying 'oi this is how you make dubstep, bare phat snare, deep sub, halt time drum beat, fucken ragga jah sample render it up' etc which would be sad.

I'm dilusionaly tired and that probably made no sense.

yeh you have alot of reverb in there, which often dubstep has, and you have some spacey pads in the back, which dubstep also somteims has. But so does prog rock.

basicaly what I'm trying to say is, this is techno.

whineo · Post by **whineo** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:09 pm

Serox wrote: I am just curious as to what is missing from my beat that Dubstep has. Please dont say its missing the "Dubstep feel"

sounds alright mate .. beat sounds a little too rigid .. but no point worrying about the 'is this Dubstep argument' - just listen to more dubstep..
find your own style.. blah blah .. yawn

serox · Post by **serox** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:20 pm

fliPPo wrote:well mate, I really think you should make whatever comes out and not worry about what genre it is. Best results will be ensured. You influecnes should come naturally and organically rather than 'right im going to be a dubstep producer'

but, if I was to justify my comment.

mainly the way the kick drum sits out infront of everything, and has so many hits per bar. Seems like a classic techno style kick to me, maybe on the deep side but still. Also that lead is straight up acid techno I think. The whole tune just has that kinda constant relentless drive that alot (not all) of styles of techno has. I find dubstep more or less sneaks up on you and holds it's cards close to it's chest if that makes ANY sense at all heh. You kinda have to activley listen to dubstep, kinda have to dive into the rythem and space to find what the tune is about. It's not so obvious (appart from ravey in you face style that is popular these days I guess, but that dosen't really feel like dubstep to me either) Techno is more up front and look this is whats going on in this tune see and gives it to you, which is how I feel about this tune.

Also there is not alot of sub at all, and no b-line. Of course there are wicked tunes that are kinda accepted in the vein of dubstep that don't really have a bline and don't have deep heavy sub, but they have a certain vibe. I know I'm being vague but there basically arent alot of words I can use without just saying 'oi this is how you make dubstep, bare phat snare, deep sub, halt time drum beat, fucken ragga jah sample render it up' etc which would be sad.

I'm dilusionaly tired and that probably made no sense.

yeh you have alot of reverb in there, which often dubstep has, and you have some spacey pads in the back, which dubstep also somteims has. But so does prog rock.

basicaly what I'm trying to say is, this is techno.

Thanks. That is cool, it makes perfect sense and I agree with you. Yes, the lead I took straight from a techno beat I made and messed around with it a bit;) I had heard some bits on DMZ records that gave me the idea.

I will play around with the drums, maybe just start again with them, not sure yet.

I am not out to make a Dubstep record really. I just made this and thought it kinda fitted in with the genre. I think the things you have said will help tho. I need to get more natural feeling in the tune and remove the generic feel.

Its just a start but I will continue.

cheers.

flippo · Post by **flippo** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:25 pm

wasn't meaning to put down what you where doing at all man, just saying why I thought it wasn't dubstep is all. If you come from a techno background and love that kinda stuff don't feel it's a bad thing. Nothing wrong with branching out and trying new things I guess though.

serox · Post by **serox** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:28 pm

fliPPo wrote:wasn't meaning to put down what you where doing at all man, just saying why I thought it wasn't dubstep is all. If you come from a techno background and love that kinda stuff don't feel it's a bad thing. Nothing wrong with branching out and trying new things I guess though.

didnt take it like that at all. I think if I moved the tune more towards what your saying with the structure it would actually sound better.

I have no idea who you are or anything but what you said has made me want to go home and try a few things out. Thanks.

flippo · Post by **flippo** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:33 pm

Serox wrote:
Have you heard much Industrial Techno?:) I have about 400 peices of plastic of what is known as Industrial Techno.

hah no actually. the only techno i really know is some of the minimal stuff, some old detrot kinda stuff, the few deeper techno tunes that some dubstep djs are playing... and deep dub kinda techno like basic channel, rythem and sound etc (which ive kinda had a go at myself, although its not in a traditional tempo or time signature, but has similar sounds)

serox · Post by **serox** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:40 pm

fliPPo wrote:
hah no actually. the only techno i really know is some of the minimal stuff, some old detrot kinda stuff, the few deeper techno tunes that some dubstep djs are playing... and deep dub kinda techno like basic channel, rythem and sound etc (which ive kinda had a go at myself, although its not in a traditional tempo or time signature, but has similar sounds)

ok cool. Well, the riff in the 2nd part is straight up Detroit. I mix mostly old skool Techno, Detroit and deep/dark Techno but also into the harder side like industrial/hardcore/gabber.

I love Basic Channel.

So you make beats that are not in a fixed tempo/TS? Hows that work then? Do you just use samples in Soundforge or something?

sully_shanks · Post by **sully_shanks** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:21 pm

nice bit of sub, 140ish, not straight 4/4, is working pretty well
quite bristol sounding
defo not 'not dubstep'
uve got a pretty indiviual n accomplished sound here, stick with it n u could develop some v fresh stuff
theres a lot of minimal tech crossover, but i think theres a lot of room for some tuffer, party style sounds to come over from techno...
talk of 'massive snares and basic structure' is rly putting limits on the sounds that can come out of the scene

serox · Post by **serox** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:28 pm

sully_shanks wrote:nice bit of sub, 140ish, not straight 4/4, is working pretty well
quite bristol sounding
defo not 'not dubstep'
uve got a pretty indiviual n accomplished sound here, stick with it n u could develop some v fresh stuff
theres a lot of minimal tech crossover, but i think theres a lot of room for some tuffer, party style sounds to come over from techno...
talk of 'massive snares and basic structure' is rly putting limits on the sounds that can come out of the scene

Thanks! I am South London, near Croydon. I been jumping from 1 profile to another on myspace and I see what is different with the structure.

vadarfone · Post by **vadarfone** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:36 pm

wicked.

nice chit chat tonight. super nice forum here.

flippo · Post by **flippo** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:49 am

Serox wrote:
fliPPo wrote:
hah no actually. the only techno i really know is some of the minimal stuff, some old detrot kinda stuff, the few deeper techno tunes that some dubstep djs are playing... and deep dub kinda techno like basic channel, rythem and sound etc (which ive kinda had a go at myself, although its not in a traditional tempo or time signature, but has similar sounds)
ok cool. Well, the riff in the 2nd part is straight up Detroit. I mix mostly old skool Techno, Detroit and deep/dark Techno but also into the harder side like industrial/hardcore/gabber.

I love Basic Channel.

So you make beats that are not in a fixed tempo/TS? Hows that work then? Do you just use samples in Soundforge or something?

oh no that's not what I meant, what I meant was while the tune is inspired by basical chanel style dub techno, it's 80 bpm and 3/4 time, don't know if that can really be classified as techno heh.

but yeah I do have tunes that change tempo and time sig mid-track, most sequencers will let you do that, no need for soundeforge

Hi, I am new to Dubstep and music production! (Link to tune)

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