Feedback on a program ive found

[feasible_weasel]

i was looking for a program to make dubstep and musical scores on..and found this...sounds good but then again im not knowledgable on programs and widgets..
http://www.motu.com/products/software/machfive

Parts and PerformanceMachFive 2 gives you unlimited parts in a single instance, with powerful performance tools to make the most of them.
Add as many instrument parts as you like into a single MachFive 2 window. Assign up to 256 discrete MIDI input channels to Parts. Set individual output assignments, volume, and pan. Browse Presets directly from Parts. Enable or disable Disk Streaming independently for every Part

[two oh one]

It's a big workstation rompler, probably full of cheesy sounds and presets. A perfect solution if you want to sound identical to a million other soulless men who wear keyboard ties and make jingles for a living.

Just get a sodding proper major DAW and learn to use it properly. Logic, Nuendo, Cubase, or whatever.

[feasible_weasel]

It's a big workstation rompler, probably full of cheesy sounds and presets. A perfect solution if you want to sound identical to a million other soulless men who wear keyboard ties and make jingles for a living.

Just get a sodding proper major DAW and learn to use it properly. Logic, Nuendo, Cubase, or whatever.

ok

[two oh one]

Just get yerself a proper DAW, man!!

If you're willing to put down cash, do it properly and don't waste money on all-in-one production toys with loads of (mostly useless and cheesy) sample libraries that you'll probably grow out of in less than a year.

And, fuck me, that plug costs as much as Logic!

:O

[twatty vagitis]

u chat a hell of a lot of shit m8

1. that is a VERY capable sampler/fx unit, that equals and in some areas surpases kontakt (maybe not 3 but def 2)

2. samples are a fact of music, what do you do for vocals then? or decsent drums? (not synthetic shit, but proper meaty drums sampled from real kits?) I guaruntee you use samples in your tunes. Do you honestly think anyone who uses a sampler sounds like everyone else? the point of a sampler is to be able to manipulate sounds, change them up, make them sound unique.

3. ERrrrr....have you not heard of resampling? where you create a sound on a synth, sample it out and add fx to refine it, then sample it out again and so on, untill the sound you have is this amazingly layered sample that couldnt have been produced any other way? the majority of top named producers do just that, or do you know something they dont? please share..

seriously, get over yourself, and your hatred of samples, cos its just making you sound like an unknowledgable bell end

with regards to the original poster & machfive 2 sampler, its amazing and works well with any DAW, if you wanna spend that sort of money on a sampler, you can't go far wrong, although bear in mind that DAWs also come with good built in samplers now days so you could save yourself some cash.

[feasible_weasel]

u chat a hell of a lot of shit m8

1. that is a VERY capable sampler/fx unit, that equals and in some areas surpases kontakt (maybe not 3 but def 2)

2. samples are a fact of music, what do you do for vocals then? or decsent drums? (not synthetic shit, but proper meaty drums sampled from real kits?) I guaruntee you use samples in your tunes. Do you honestly think anyone who uses a sampler sounds like everyone else? the point of a sampler is to be able to manipulate sounds, change them up, make them sound unique.

3. ERrrrr....have you not heard of resampling? where you create a sound on a synth, sample it out and add fx to refine it, then sample it out again and so on, untill the sound you have is this amazingly layered sample that couldnt have been produced any other way? the majority of top named producers do just that, or do you know something they dont? please share..

seriously, get over yourself, and your hatred of samples, cos its just making you sound like an unknowledgable bell end

with regards to the original poster & machfive 2 sampler, its amazing and works well with any DAW, if you wanna spend that sort of money on a sampler, you can't go far wrong, although bear in mind that DAWs also come with good built in samplers now days so you could save yourself some cash.

fair enough

[decklyn]

Gunfight!
20 paces and turn.

Never heard of this. I see it's MOTU and that makes me think it might be an alright tool - it's like putting the Ferrari logo on something. Ferrari doesn't give thier name out very quickly.

At the same time...

All in all...

I would recommend a proper daw first, then some fun toys like this or an electribe etc later.

[roqqert]

this thing is rly amazing and expansive... just keep it .. friend of mine got it. it works rly well

[two oh one]

u chat a hell of a lot of shit m8

1. that is a VERY capable sampler/fx unit, that equals and in some areas surpases kontakt (maybe not 3 but def 2)

2. samples are a fact of music, what do you do for vocals then? or decsent drums? (not synthetic shit, but proper meaty drums sampled from real kits?) I guaruntee you use samples in your tunes. Do you honestly think anyone who uses a sampler sounds like everyone else? the point of a sampler is to be able to manipulate sounds, change them up, make them sound unique.

3. ERrrrr....have you not heard of resampling? where you create a sound on a synth, sample it out and add fx to refine it, then sample it out again and so on, untill the sound you have is this amazingly layered sample that couldnt have been produced any other way? the majority of top named producers do just that, or do you know something they dont? please share..

seriously, get over yourself, and your hatred of samples, cos its just making you sound like an unknowledgable bell end

with regards to the original poster & machfive 2 sampler, its amazing and works well with any DAW, if you wanna spend that sort of money on a sampler, you can't go far wrong, although bear in mind that DAWs also come with good built in samplers now days so you could save yourself some cash.

Nope, I don't. I shouldn't even bother responding to you if you start out your response like you're a Chav typing on a mobile phone. But, I will.

I'm sure it IS a very capable sampler, but what's the point if he doesn't even have a cuntin' DAW to run it on yet? 500 bucks for a sampler? Fuck off. I'm sure most DAWs worth their salt come packed with a free sampler already. Logic did, and now Logic costs about the same as that sampler alone.

For my vocals, I actually usually get voice actors, vocalists or myself to do the vocals. Apart from one track entitled Choke, where I used a sample, but then felt quite dirty afterwards. I'm thinking of getting the sample re-created using somebody with a good voice before I even think of releasing it, if I can be arsed.

I've heard or re-sampling, yes. And re-amping, catching air, running out through wires, running through FM radio, and all kinds of stuff. I do all kinds of little tricks when I can be bothered.

...Off topic...

There isn't a hatred of samples (I use lots of samplers and I've probably owned more hardware samplers than you'd believe), but there is a slight dislike of people just taking a brass riff or bass line or drum loop or whatever without even *trying* to scratch-make one themselves. Anybody can nick something they take a fancy to from somewhere. It's easy as piss. It's skill-less.

I mean, fuck me. Everybody used Amen, but I didn't. I listened to the original beat and figured out how to recreate something like that from scratch, including the little shouts and things. I ran it through pedals and onto tape, made it crusty and then sampled it, sped it up, chopped it up and made my own unique sounding thing. Use you ingenuity. Get curious as to how things are made and make them yourself with a microphone, or a synth or whatever.

But, what happens when the MAIN HOOK of your track isn't even something you made? I love the brass in your track man! Where is it from? Oh, erm, I just took it out of this track that was made by somebody else. Ouch. I mean, as an artist, you must die inside slightly if somebody says that, right?

Fair play if you want to do that, there has been a lot of great music made that way, but personally I think it's lazy and if you do that too much, you'll never learn anything.

Back on topic....

My point, before you derailed the thread, is that if you're starting out, you don't really want something like that soft sampler. You want a nice DAW and see what you can do with that alone before shelling out for something like that. As you stated, most DAWs come with samplers these days. You can collect your samples from all over without having to pay extra for a bunch of naff pack-in banjo loops that you'll probably get with the Mach 5.


Now, calm down dear.

If you want to respond (And I know you will), do it it the sample thread instead. No point dirtying this one up with your stroppy, sullen antics.

[twatty vagitis]

I'm sure it IS a very capable sampler, but what's the point if he doesn't even have a cuntin' DAW to run it on yet? 500 bucks for a sampler? Fuck off. I'm sure most DAWs worth their salt come packed with a free sampler already. Logic did, and now Logic costs about the same as that sampler alone.

From what Ive read before, Feasible uses fruity loops, which means he can use machfive as a vst, and as for what he knows and doesnt know about production, who's to say apart from him? He might know everything there is to know about FL, he might not. So telling him to get a DAW first and learn everything about it is a bit patronising.

There isn't a hatred of samples (I use lots of samplers and I've probably owned more hardware samplers than you'd believe), but there is a slight dislike of people just taking a brass riff or bass line or drum loop or whatever without even *trying* to scratch-make one themselves. Anybody can nick something they take a fancy to from somewhere. It's easy as piss. It's skill-less.

I mean, fuck me. Everybody used Amen, but I didn't. I listened to the original beat and figured out how to recreate something like that from scratch, including the little shouts and things. I ran it through pedals and onto tape, made it crusty and then sampled it, sped it up, chopped it up and made my own unique sounding thing. Use you ingenuity. Get curious as to how things are made and make them yourself with a microphone, or a synth or whatever.

But, what happens when the MAIN HOOK of your track isn't even something you made? I love the brass in your track man! Where is it from? Oh, erm, I just took it out of this track that was made by somebody else. Ouch. I mean, as an artist, you must die inside slightly if somebody says that, right?

Fair play if you want to do that, there has been a lot of great music made that way, but personally I think it's lazy and if you do that too much, you'll never learn anything.

It's THAT attitude that wound me up in the first place. You assume everyone other that yourself will use samplers in the same way. You assume that when someone wants to buy a sampler, or if someone is having a convo on copyright issues of samples, that we are all going to use factory settings, incorporate samples from cheesy collections and basically rip everyone off.

It was your presumptions that annoyed me more than anything else.

My point, before you derailed the thread, is that if you're starting out, you don't really want something like that soft sampler. You want a nice DAW and see what you can do with that alone before shelling out for something like that. As you stated, most DAWs come with samplers these days. You can collect your samples from all over without having to pay extra for a bunch of naff pack-in banjo loops that you'll probably get with the Mach 5.


Now, calm down dear.

If you want to respond (And I know you will), do it it the sample thread instead. No point dirtying this one up with your stroppy, sullen antics.

You right, I am going to respond, and yes, I am also very stroppy. Thats just how I am.

[roqqert]

two oh one never heard bout the layering technique ... how do you make that amen break from scratch ?? with samples...

now calm down dear.

its just how far you go with the samples... you cant blame samples.. you should blame the producer. Its also a cool idea how to make something RLY cool with samples everybody should know..

[two oh one]

two oh one never heard bout the layering technique ... how do you make that amen break from scratch ?? with samples...

now calm down dear.

its just how far you go with the samples... you cant blame samples.. you should blame the producer. Its also a cool idea how to make something RLY cool with samples everybody should know..

Of course I've heard of layering techniques. It's been done from day one on reel to reels bounces. Of course I made it with samples, but with trillions of samples of a friend's drum kits.

I'm not blaming samples and I am blaming the producers.

[two oh one]

I'm sure it IS a very capable sampler, but what's the point if he doesn't even have a cuntin' DAW to run it on yet? 500 bucks for a sampler? Fuck off. I'm sure most DAWs worth their salt come packed with a free sampler already. Logic did, and now Logic costs about the same as that sampler alone.

From what Ive read before, Feasible uses fruity loops, which means he can use machfive as a vst, and as for what he knows and doesnt know about production, who's to say apart from him? He might know everything there is to know about FL, he might not. So telling him to get a DAW first and learn everything about it is a bit patronising.

There isn't a hatred of samples (I use lots of samplers and I've probably owned more hardware samplers than you'd believe), but there is a slight dislike of people just taking a brass riff or bass line or drum loop or whatever without even *trying* to scratch-make one themselves. Anybody can nick something they take a fancy to from somewhere. It's easy as piss. It's skill-less.

I mean, fuck me. Everybody used Amen, but I didn't. I listened to the original beat and figured out how to recreate something like that from scratch, including the little shouts and things. I ran it through pedals and onto tape, made it crusty and then sampled it, sped it up, chopped it up and made my own unique sounding thing. Use you ingenuity. Get curious as to how things are made and make them yourself with a microphone, or a synth or whatever.

But, what happens when the MAIN HOOK of your track isn't even something you made? I love the brass in your track man! Where is it from? Oh, erm, I just took it out of this track that was made by somebody else. Ouch. I mean, as an artist, you must die inside slightly if somebody says that, right?

Fair play if you want to do that, there has been a lot of great music made that way, but personally I think it's lazy and if you do that too much, you'll never learn anything.

It's THAT attitude that wound me up in the first place. You assume everyone other that yourself will use samplers in the same way. You assume that when someone wants to buy a sampler, or if someone is having a convo on copyright issues of samples, that we are all going to use factory settings, incorporate samples from cheesy collections and basically rip everyone off.

It was your presumptions that annoyed me more than anything else.

My point, before you derailed the thread, is that if you're starting out, you don't really want something like that soft sampler. You want a nice DAW and see what you can do with that alone before shelling out for something like that. As you stated, most DAWs come with samplers these days. You can collect your samples from all over without having to pay extra for a bunch of naff pack-in banjo loops that you'll probably get with the Mach 5.


Now, calm down dear.

If you want to respond (And I know you will), do it it the sample thread instead. No point dirtying this one up with your stroppy, sullen antics.

You right, I am going to respond, and yes, I am also very stroppy. Thats just how I am.

I didn't know he uses fruity. Does fruity not come with a sampler already? I'm just making the point that that software is bloody expensive for what it is (You can now buy a big boy toy for that price) and that you're mainly paying that price for the packed in samples (8 GB worth). It's a good sampler, I'm sure, but what's the point of running an (arguably overly) expensive sampler in a cheap-arse host? If you've got that much cash to throw around, get a nice host. I don't see a point in being cheap in one respect and frivolously expensive in another.

Well, that 'attitude' came up in a thread about sample clearance, did it not? A thread saying that you can end up paying big time for even small samples lifted from other people's records. My assumptions were right there. My 'thing' here is just that this sampler is an all in one approach that is great, but you'd get a lot more mileage for the same price were you to choose a DAW.

I'm presumptuous, it's just how I am.

[thesynthesist]

Save yourself a step, and some money, and get Kontakt.

Kontakt 3 is tits.

The rest of you, stop playing "my DAW is better" and make some tracks.

Thread ended!

[Littlefoot]

urm

just get the full version of logic...

it's samplers are more than capable of a lot of deep sampling skills.

you could always buy cubase and rewire it into any DAW with ReWire and use their great NNXT, and pretty ok eqs and comps and piss easy routing

I do both, works fine! tonnes of flexibility, and good sounds if you know how!

[feasible_weasel]

Kontakt 3 sounds good, just gotta see the price

[paradigm_x]

To make this thread more useful weasel why not write out what you already have, and what you are hoping to achieve, and how much you are willing to spend.

[daft cunt]

As someone just mentioned in another post, you should really stop seeking new gears mate. I mean, you know the score about software people use in here and you've seen what those are up to.
Make your choice about a couple of synths you like enough to learn everything about.
On another note, learning about layering, EQing and compressing will help making the difference more than switching softwares.

Really mate, you spend far too much time asking questions about programs and stuff
Get producing damn it!

[feasible_weasel]

To make this thread more useful weasel why not write out what you already have, and what you are hoping to achieve, and how much you are willing to spend.

i already have fl-studio
i have no vst's except a albino 3 demo
i also u magix music maker, its got some more vst's and it easy to make tunes from samples and use the vsts (only 2) basic basses etc.
i cant add anymore vsts to it.
im hoping for
good drums
all the fancy glitch effects in dubstep
plenty of orchestra instruments that sounds really good, ive tried fruitys and they sound like one of those card when u open them up.
lots of ways of making atmospheres and heavy syth sounds
i love natural instruments,spanish guitars, flutes,bongo's
that kinda stuff

[paradigm_x]

Ok then

Free stuff

Glitch

Dblue glitch - http://illformed.org/glitch/
Live cut - http://mdsp.smartelectronix.com/2005/07/livecut.php

TIP - bounce out a few minutes of glitches and cut up the bits you like. process further if desired etc

All VSTs

KVR - http://www.kvraudio.com/get.php

You can search for all sorts, just check the free button if you only want free stuff. absolutely hundreds of evrything you can think of. synths, effects, hosts, you name it.

Natural instruments are prob going to have to be sampels, there are millions around, there are loads of good sample links on here, on dogsonacid.com (millions there, dnb forum) spend a bit of time searching and looking for yourself...

http://www.findsounds.com/
http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/index.php

mate google is your friend. there is an infinity of stuff out there.

get a few bits and sit down and play with it for a long time. thers no right answers and no magic peices of software !

Peace