Ya Ave a License Fah Dem Dubz?

mungoshifi · Post by **mungoshifi** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:32 pm

i love rusko's productions, which is why i told my friend jan in leipzig that he was coming to play in his town in december. i got a surprising reaction from jan, who said that rusko had nicked a tune from his label jahtari, and that dub police had denied any knowledge when he asked them if the guy who wrote the track could get a credit.
now sampling goes on a lot, and i'm all for it when something new comes out of it, but i'm curious where the dubstep forum draws the line between sampling and stealing. now i'm not accusing anyone of anything, but to me these tracks seem too similar not to credit blaze dem.
what do you think?

the Rusko track is on the SNES Dub EP DP005, called Tru Powwa
you can hear a clip here:
http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=23962

the Blaze Dem track is called Dubness of this Creation and is available for free download under creative commons license here:
http://www.jahtari.org/music/JTR%20NET05.htm

and here is a comparison of the 2 breakdowns in the tracks:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=8HRRQZI1

pete_bubonic · Post by **pete_bubonic** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:35 pm

in before drama and eventual lock and corpsey and feasible weasel chatting some inane bollocks.

skrewface · Post by **skrewface** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:36 pm

MungosHiFi wrote:now sampling goes on a lot, and i'm all for it when something new comes out of it, but i'm curious where the dubstep forum draws the line between sampling and stealing.

LOL, ask the dubsteppolice directly (dubstepforum moderators + some other random people in here).

mungoshifi · Post by **mungoshifi** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:41 pm

pete bubonic wrote:in before drama and eventual lock and corpsey and feasible weasel chatting some inane bollocks.

you what?

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mungoshifi · Post by **mungoshifi** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:45 pm

skrewface wrote:
MungosHiFi wrote:now sampling goes on a lot, and i'm all for it when something new comes out of it, but i'm curious where the dubstep forum draws the line between sampling and stealing.
LOL, ask the dubsteppolice directly (dubstepforum moderators + some other random people in here).

hence i am asking them directly.

4linehaiku · Post by **4linehaiku** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:46 pm

I think Pete Bubonic is refering to the fact that this topic will probably quickly devolve into name calling and pointless rhetorical point-scoring.
I'm afraid he's probably right.

skrewface · Post by **skrewface** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:51 pm

4linehaiku wrote:I think Pete Bubonic is refering to the fact that this topic will probably quickly devolve into name calling and pointless rhetorical point-scoring.
I'm afraid he's probably right.

You forgot the stalking of threads, pointless comments such as "do you know _________?" and the PM crew.

This place is full of internet badman, carry-news antagonists and informers. Such a waste of time activity. Its not like its gonna stop you in your mission

4linehaiku · Post by **4linehaiku** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:51 pm

Yeah they are undeniably similar. Just not too sure what the best possible outcome of this is though. It's probably a bit late to recall all the records and write 'This track samples Blaze Dem' on them.

forensix (mcr) · Post by **forensix (mcr)** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:51 pm

skrewface wrote:
You forgot the stalking of threads, pointless comments such as "do you know _________?" and the PM crew.

This place is full of internet badman, carry-news antagonists and informers.

corpsey · Post by **corpsey** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:57 pm

pete bubonic wrote:in before drama and eventual lock and corpsey and feasible weasel chatting some inane bollocks.

I was going to weigh in here with an argument concerning the innate role that repetition and reinterpretation of standards plays within any form of folk music centered around a culturally self-referential and defining ritual of intoxication and dance- such as in the dancehalls of reggae, the concert halls of the western symphonic tradition and the modern day dog shelter dances of dubstep and country and western...

BUT FUCK Y'ALL

Jah Billah · Post by **Jah Billah** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:00 pm

MungosHiFi wrote: now sampling goes on a lot, and i'm all for it when something new comes out of it, but i'm curious where the dubstep forum draws the line between sampling and stealing. now i'm not accusing anyone of anything, but to me these tracks seem too similar not to credit blaze dem.
what do you think?

Rusko should have come correct & credit Disrupt production.
Just beacuse they publish under Creative Commons doesn't mean that they do not hold some rights reserved.

To make it legal, Rusko should pay royalties, if Rusko wants to make it legit-Disrupt must be credited.

mungoshifi · Post by **mungoshifi** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:01 pm

4linehaiku wrote:Yeah they are undeniably similar. Just not too sure what the best possible outcome of this is though. It's probably a bit late to recall all the records and write 'This track samples Blaze Dem' on them.

i'm not asking anyone to do anything, and i'm not only wanting to stir shit, but perhaps blaze dem and jahtari need to get some recognition for this, and maybe there's a whole side to the story that i don't know about, which is why i thought it might be worth talking about - jeez

pacomari · Post by **pacomari** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:18 pm

Not much chance of getting any sense of these shut in's sorts I am afraid...

As for the similarities... Well, one would hope it's just a misunderstanding or communication...

feasible_weasel · Post by **feasible_weasel** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:22 pm

what a blaytent cheek

4linehaiku · Post by **4linehaiku** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:26 pm

Yeah you're right. Jahtari do deserve more recognition, and hopefully they'll get it. I guess the best outcome is someone checks out the Jahtari page, likes what they hear and buys some stuff from them.
Personally I'd recommend the Disrupt album. It's well good.

mungoshifi · Post by **mungoshifi** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:30 pm

Jahtari kindly give their stuff away for free, or on their net label anyway

but your spot on the best outcome is that people check their stuff, its not about blame or pointing the finger,

the disrupt album is brilliant and there is an amazing set of tracks about to be released with Mikey Murka that are outstanding

4linehaiku · Post by **4linehaiku** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:33 pm

Are they being release for free too? Or more stuff on Werk?

showguns · Post by **showguns** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:34 pm

i remember seeing a disclaimer on rusko's myspace saying he sampled from that disrupt tune. would have been a nice service to have mentioned em on the record label as well.

mungoshifi · Post by **mungoshifi** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:35 pm

4linehaiku wrote:Are they being release for free too? Or more stuff on Werk?

They will be released on vinyl from the Jahtari label

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