the second is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRxGmfcr5lI

theres also a thread specifically for tune IDs btw

thanks alot! can't find that thread :X can u link it pls?

First one is Havoc - No Good, probs on youtube, have a beast.
hmmm.. are we talking about the same track? all i could find was ...

Does anybody know this epic tune / melody / lyrics ?

it was played by hellfire machina @ dubstep.fm (2011-01-27)
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Thanks!