If it hasn't been pointed out already, getting unemployed people to fill positions on zero pay also means that there's going to be one less paying job at that same business so essentially for each workfare role you get one slave and one more unemployed, so less tax revenue, less public sector jobs ...

agreed, it's easy to get lost in the myriad subjects that arise alongside this but the main par is that UK taxpayers are paying wages that Tesco's etc should be paying.


It's all trickle-up economics really - minimum wage is set too low to cover rent, bills and other living costs so housing ...

I would suggest that society has become less openly violent. The violence is still there. It's just in different forms.

Violence used to be far more effective in gaining resources, whether that was through hunting, territorial disputes or pillaging and for the most part there are far more ...

People just sitting on their arse collecting tax payer money because a job's 'not good enough' is a fucking joke.

In all honesty though most jobs aren't "good enough" - often mindnumbingly tedious work at a barely-breaking-even wage after accounting for exhorbitant rents, bills, council tax and ...

I don't always but if I do I try and have a chat to find out a bit about them too and how they got there. Quite a large amount of ex-forces that are just too fucked up to reintegrate into society and a significant number that were kicked out of their home by their partner and didn't have the ...

most people i've spoken to about the riots pretty much flatly refuse to believe that it could be anything other than mindless opportunistic violence and as soon as you start explaining how socio-economic factors are a huge part of it they act as if you're saying that you think looting is a good ...

It's all well and good saying rioters will be punished "to the full extent of the law", but you really going to put like 10,000 kids in prison for the 5 or 6 different crimes they've probably all committed? There's just no way that could work.

According to the Guardian 1335 have already been ...

With regards to the media, I do believe Charlie Brooker's thoughts on US spree killers could equally apply to the riots. Seeing police being massively ineffective towards looting is hardly going to discourage similar outbreaks elsewhere.

Crosby wrote:

Boris needs to step down and let that kid run tings. He's got a brain and a heart which is more than Boris...

whats is cameron /actually/ going to do, apart from say, this is senseless violence, which we all already know...
Announce there is going to be an enquiry. One that'll probably cost the tax payer tens of millions of £'s. Money that could be spent on the causes of this problem.....

:roll ...

wizeguy wrote: i personally think the rioters should stop all the pointless shit and go directly to the houses of parliament

I don't think they'd be interested. No consumer electronics worth robbing

Quite possibly.

Best of luck in Stokes Croft btw, thought the Tesco's protest seemed to show some level of community self-policing. Is it people from the community starting trouble or outsiders coming in from elsewhere?

From the Guardian

The results show:

• The bullet lodged in the police radio is a "jacketed round". This is a police issue bullet and, while it is still subject to DNA analysis, it is consistent with having been fired from a Metropolitan police Heckler and Koch MP5 submachine gun.

• The firearm ...

Q: Where was this guy / Who was this guy FIVE years ago?

His ego certainly seems to have gone way beyond the bounds of his influence. I wouldn't have thought Horsepower/El-B etc were referencing Timbaland when they started laying down those first gritty tunes way back when....



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