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Vinyl Rips

Post by Hide_One » Sat May 08, 2010 11:30 am

Probably a repost, but is it kosher to play out with vinyl rips??
looking at discogs today I'm proper worried about some of my DMZ's, whites and Big Apples getting lost/stolen/damaged and I well wont be able to afford to replace them
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Post by rbnc » Sat May 08, 2010 11:31 am

I've yet to hear a vinyl rip that does justice to the original, sucks!
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Post by lkd » Sat May 08, 2010 11:33 am

Well, as long as you you do actually own these vinyls and e.p's and such and your ripping them and not uploading them...then why not?

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Post by drlego » Sat May 08, 2010 11:58 am

yeah its not going to sound exactly the same but if you rip them to Wavs then thats as good as it can get in my opinion. I know some people go for Flacs but I use Traktor with wavs on the records I dont want to bring out.

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Post by graham-acidic » Sat May 08, 2010 2:49 pm

my housemate got one of these

http://info.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=266227

there is a version that is 49.99

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Post by Hide_One » Sat May 08, 2010 4:36 pm

Ive just been recording them into cubase and exporting as a .wav

Can still tell the difference tho. Methinks i need some better needles
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Post by luthervandub » Sat May 08, 2010 4:41 pm

rbnc wrote:I've yet to hear a vinyl rip that does justice to the original, sucks!
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Post by Hide_One » Sat May 08, 2010 4:42 pm

Likwid wrote:Well, as long as you you do actually own these vinyls and e.p's and such and your ripping them and not uploading them...then why not?

Fuck that! Some of these are near exclusives, the only heads who got em got in there early and the rest are on discogs marketplace gathering dust with a phat old price tag.

Off topic tho... I never understood why its called big apple records and has a pic of a banana on it?
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Post by lkd » Sat May 08, 2010 4:57 pm

I wasnt accusing you of wanting to do that.
i think saving your dubs amd such by ripping them is a good idea.
Just saying there ARE people who would do that.

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Post by wat » Sat May 08, 2010 5:50 pm

Hide_One wrote: Off topic tho... I never understood why its called big apple records and has a pic of a banana on it?
Maybe it has something to do with this company's logo:

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Post by tobo » Sat May 08, 2010 6:16 pm

rbnc wrote:I've yet to hear a vinyl rip that does justice to the original, sucks!
If you rip it properly, it'll sound the same. You're just taking the output from the vinyl deck (that goes to the speakers) and recording the signal. If you use a decent sample rate and bitrate and keep it uncompressed (.wav or .flac), there will be no audible difference. Saying otherwise is just being ignorant of the whole process.

I rip all my vinyl (and housemates vinyl) and archive them as FLAC. Vinyl can get damaged, I want a backup.
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Post by laurent__duval » Sat May 08, 2010 6:47 pm

i dont think it matters that much. once theyve been put through a big rig and had stuff done on the EQ on the mixer its difficult to tell. unless you're using some dodgey youtube download or something.
with regards to playing rips, surely its no more dodgety then playing the vinyl without a performers license? and is it really likely that a producer/label are gonna check up on a tyune thats in the public domain anyway? surley in underground music circles its the playing out that earns the money not the vinyl releases?

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Post by tobo » Sat May 08, 2010 6:49 pm

laurent__duval wrote:with regards to playing rips, surely its no more dodgety then playing the vinyl without a performers license? and is it really likely that a producer/label are gonna check up on a tyune thats in the public domain anyway? surley in underground music circles its the playing out that earns the money not the vinyl releases?
Ur, you're allowed to own the vinyl you rip, having a vinyl rip doesn't make it illegal unless you don't own the original vinyl (ie. downloaded it).
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Post by Littlefoot » Sat May 08, 2010 7:00 pm

graham-acidic wrote:my housemate got one of these

http://info.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=266227

there is a version that is 49.99
urgghh horrible tbh!

I know it's a means to an end, but vinyl rips through anything like this will ALWAYS sound terrible
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Post by ramadanman » Sat May 08, 2010 7:01 pm

I'd recommend doing it through a hi-fi turntable and a separate preamp rather than through a dj mixer / turntable. Means the sound is going through fewer obstacles before it reaches your soundcard.

You can pick up a decent hi fi turntable for as little as £30 or so

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Post by Littlefoot » Sat May 08, 2010 7:05 pm

Might even be worth renting out a studio for a few hours and use there top notch converters if you are really serious about archiving..

I dunno, I just think vinyl rips always sound bad, you gotta think about generation loss..

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Post by tobo » Sat May 08, 2010 7:08 pm

ramadanman wrote:I'd recommend doing it through a hi-fi turntable and a separate preamp rather than through a dj mixer / turntable. Means the sound is going through fewer obstacles before it reaches your soundcard.

You can pick up a decent hi fi turntable for as little as £30 or so
Why would you need to use a separate turntable? A dj turntable would probably be better, more accurate rpm and (maybe) better needles.

I just use my technics going to an external soundcard and recorded on my laptop.
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Post by Hide_One » Sat May 08, 2010 7:29 pm

ramadanman wrote:I'd recommend doing it through a hi-fi turntable and a separate preamp rather than through a dj mixer / turntable. Means the sound is going through fewer obstacles before it reaches your soundcard.

You can pick up a decent hi fi turntable for as little as £30 or so
Could I use my mic pre-amp for this?
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Post by Hide_One » Sat May 08, 2010 7:30 pm

ramadanman wrote:I'd recommend doing it through a hi-fi turntable and a separate preamp rather than through a dj mixer / turntable. Means the sound is going through fewer obstacles before it reaches your soundcard.

You can pick up a decent hi fi turntable for as little as £30 or so
Obviously gonna be some interconnects problems but could I use my mic pre-amp for this? i.e am I gonna get any quality loss by using a phono to jack then jack to xlr converter seeing as ive got all these bits lying around?

Id obviously have to be spot on with mixing my L and R channels aswell, or am I having a silly moment... is XLR phase, outta phase and earth right?
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Post by ramadanman » Sat May 08, 2010 8:04 pm

Hide_One wrote:
ramadanman wrote:I'd recommend doing it through a hi-fi turntable and a separate preamp rather than through a dj mixer / turntable. Means the sound is going through fewer obstacles before it reaches your soundcard.

You can pick up a decent hi fi turntable for as little as £30 or so
Obviously gonna be some interconnects problems but could I use my mic pre-amp for this? i.e am I gonna get any quality loss by using a phono to jack then jack to xlr converter seeing as ive got all these bits lying around?

Id obviously have to be spot on with mixing my L and R channels aswell, or am I having a silly moment... is XLR phase, outta phase and earth right?
Nah you need a phono pre amp. Signals from a turntable are very low level, so they need additional amplification to get to regular (line) level. Some turntables may even have one built in. Either than or run it through a good amp with phono input.

Re: using a hi fi turntable, i just think the sound quality is better. Just a personal preference really. Sometimes Technics, especially if old, can have dodgy pitch, and i've heard the standard Technics tonearm isn't that great sound quality wise. Bare in mind it's all relative though, and we're not talking about a massive difference in sound quality. All about finding what's best for you :)

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