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Post by ufo over easy » Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:22 pm

Spaceboy wrote:
UFO over easy wrote:Guess I'm wrong then! :)
I did setup Hotflush with Paul yes and ran it for a couple of years. I'm still involved in music and associated with the label. But i do nick beats as well! :-) go figure that one out............................... :P
Yep, I'm just surprised you're still alive, given Paulie's utterly terrifying threats in this thread. :lol:
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Post by spaceboy » Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:23 pm

UFO over easy wrote:
Spaceboy wrote:
UFO over easy wrote:Guess I'm wrong then! :)
I did setup Hotflush with Paul yes and ran it for a couple of years. I'm still involved in music and associated with the label. But i do nick beats as well! :-) go figure that one out............................... :P
Yep, I'm just surprised you're still alive, given Paulie's utterly terrifying threats in this thread. :lol:
he couldnt harm a fly
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Post by ufo over easy » Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:25 pm

auralassassin wrote:
Nobody signed to any label, or running a label is going to be FOR downloading, unless it's paid for... and if they are, they arent going to be in business very long.

*edit* ok, one person is.
Didn't see this :7:
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Post by spaceboy » Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:34 pm

auralassassin wrote:
Spaceboy wrote:ask scuba....im sure he can't wait to pass it to you :lol:
I'm sure Scuba isn't as interested in giving away music as those who don't have record deals, etc... thats why I figured I'd ask random people--might as well, you are all into piracy.

Mate I know the key people trying to take down piracy in the music industry...ex Chairmans/CEO's of EMI/Capital and the like. And I'm also highly bored here at work on a Friday, trying to rile YOU up.
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Post by dubway » Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:38 pm

where was i? (was offline for a while...)
auralassassin wrote:How does it make you feel to know that some of the big names in dub/grime can't pay to put out more hot tracks?
it's terrible!! it's killing me!
you think i don't know that?
you think that that wasn't the only reason why i started buying vynils??

but it's not my neighbours fault!!! (cos he's using slsk)
you shouldn't be angry on ppl like them..

that's where we live...

in croatia Artists get regular salary by goverment.. it's not much - but..
auralassassin wrote:I've taken note of everyone on here that admits to pirating music, and sees nothing wrong with stealing product. Don't be suprised when noone hands you dubs--you can't be trusted. And this is why.
that's a direct threat to me (cos basically noone else is on my side..)

nice one mate

i'll get that as a "thank you"...

my free oppinion is not so cheap...

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Post by 8bitwonder » Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:41 pm

dubway wrote:where was i? (was offline for a while...)
auralassassin wrote:How does it make you feel to know that some of the big names in dub/grime can't pay to put out more hot tracks?
it's terrible!! it's killing me!
you think i don't know that?
you think that that wasn't the only reason why i started buying vynils??

but it's not my neighbours fault!!! (cos he's using slsk)
you shouldn't be angry on ppl like them..

that's where we live...

in croatia Artists get regular salary by goverment.. it's not much - but..
auralassassin wrote:I've taken note of everyone on here that admits to pirating music, and sees nothing wrong with stealing product. Don't be suprised when noone hands you dubs--you can't be trusted. And this is why.
that's a direct threat to me (cos basically noone else is on my side..)

nice one mate

i'll get that as a "thank you"...

my free oppinion is not so cheap, and i'm not such a coward to be affraid of your threats..
im on ur side but lets not get it heated again hhhmm

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Post by starkey » Sat Apr 01, 2006 2:52 pm

here's my two cents. (saying over here in these parts : *said with rugged cowboy accent*)
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disclaimer: (directed at no one in particular....just my saturday morning ramblings after having read this entire topic for the past 20 minutes.)

music is wallpaper to most people (you all know this). they don't care about it. they just care that it's there. walk into a restaurant....there's music. walk into clothing store....music. what kind? ....doesn't really matter, just music. probably some stupid house remix of a diva r&b tracks entitled, "wooh I need your loving (wooh I need ur touch)"

by posting on this forum, you've already put yourself out of that group. at least the music has sparked an interest beyond just wallpaper for you.

Some people's interest in music goes beyond just listening to what's out there. Some feel the need to make it readily available to them....they do so by getting it into their personal collection somehow (if that's illegal or free downloads, purchasing, etc.....it's all the same. For them....they have it when they want to listen to it.)

Others feel the need to experience music in a particular form. For some that's the intimacy of an mp3 on an iPod, a tower full of cd's, or vinyl.

Some people feel the need to share music with others....via dj-ing it out, doing a radio show, an mp3 blog, or creating their own tunes.

I have to get the battery charger for my computer (i'm running on "reserver power") .....so I'm done with my ramblings. Sorry for not coming to any conclusions.....but I'm pretty sure there are none.

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Post by zgk » Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:40 pm

I also live in the US, and the whole pirating aspect is debated endlessly. I download music that cant be found anywhere else (DJ Screw remixes, dubstep, underground hip hop and rap, DnB, and Turntablism, etc.)

All of these genres arent widely available or recognized by the masses. Dubstep is unheard of in Virginia, so for me to get the music without resorting to piracy, I would pay the shipping for vinyl from oversees, borrow a set of turntables from my dad and rip to my MP3 Player. Or I could simply download a mix which has all the newest songs blended into a seamless experience. I wouldnt pirate Dubstep, but I would pirate the mainstream shit major labels are putting out (Paying 15 dollars for one or two good tracks)

IMHO, Dubstep sounds better in a mix rather than a single track.

Also, the buying and collection of vinyl is fine but the space it takes up and the investment needed is pretty high. My dad has an entire wall from corner to corner fill with records (12", 45s, Rare albums, mainstream crap, everything), when he has a portion of his collection( the stuff he plays at parties) on to 100 gigabyte hard drives 8)

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Post by auralassassin » Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:04 pm

ZGK wrote:I also live in the US, and the whole pirating aspect is debated endlessly. I download music that cant be found anywhere else (DJ Screw remixes, dubstep, underground hip hop and rap, DnB, and Turntablism, etc.)

All of these genres arent widely available or recognized by the masses. Dubstep is unheard of in Virginia, so for me to get the music without resorting to piracy, I would pay the shipping for vinyl from oversees, borrow a set of turntables from my dad and rip to my MP3 Player. Or I could simply download a mix which has all the newest songs blended into a seamless experience. I wouldnt pirate Dubstep, but I would pirate the mainstream shit major labels are putting out (Paying 15 dollars for one or two good tracks)

IMHO, Dubstep sounds better in a mix rather than a single track.

Also, the buying and collection of vinyl is fine but the space it takes up and the investment needed is pretty high. My dad has an entire wall from corner to corner fill with records (12", 45s, Rare albums, mainstream crap, everything), when he has a portion of his collection( the stuff he plays at parties) on to 100 gigabyte hard drives 8)

bullshit. you are online right this second. you can buy dubstep on numerous website.

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Post by grievous_angel » Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:04 pm

Just my two cents...

There is some evidence to suggest that downloading has some beneficial effects on mainstream music sales. (There have been a number of academic studies which indicate this -- I'm thinking of the Harvard Business School one in particular.)

However, it is also a fact that downloading damages the sales of a number of non-mainstream genres. For example, there are a number of reasons why Grime artists don't enjoy greater commercial success, but one important one is that too many grime fans download tracks when they could afford to buy them, or one of the (now numerous) compilations featuring grime tracks. This is less of an issue with dubstep, but it's still something of a problem as Plastician has indicated.

It's also a fact that few if any of the main dubstep artists make money from record sales. Just consider the sales volumes and work out the net profit -- it's just not enough to live on. They scrape by from doing shows. A lot work part time. If as many dubstep fans bought their records as could afford to, then there would be a lot more dubstep records in the world.

It's difficult to criticise downloaders who simply can't afford to buy the music -- if they're that short of cash then they wouldn't be able to buy it anyway, so it's not a lost sale. But there's a lot of people who could afford it and are either too tight or too lazy to shell out for vinyl or, even a 99p -- 99 fucking p - download from bleep.

I have a problem with those people.

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Post by 7 below » Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:10 pm

Grievous Angel wrote:Just my two cents...

There is some evidence to suggest that downloading has some beneficial effects on mainstream music sales. (There have been a number of academic studies which indicate this -- I'm thinking of the Harvard Business School one in particular.)

However, it is also a fact that downloading damages the sales of a number of non-mainstream genres. For example, there are a number of reasons why Grime artists don't enjoy greater commercial success, but one important one is that too many grime fans download tracks when they could afford to buy them, or one of the (now numerous) compilations featuring grime tracks. This is less of an issue with dubstep, but it's still something of a problem as Plastician has indicated.

It's also a fact that few if any of the main dubstep artists make money from record sales. Just consider the sales volumes and work out the net profit -- it's just not enough to live on. They scrape by from doing shows. A lot work part time. If as many dubstep fans bought their records as could afford to, then there would be a lot more dubstep records in the world.

It's difficult to criticise downloaders who simply can't afford to buy the music -- if they're that short of cash then they wouldn't be able to buy it anyway, so it's not a lost sale. But there's a lot of people who could afford it and are either too tight or too lazy to shell out for vinyl or, even a 99p -- 99 fucking p - download from bleep.

I have a problem with those people.
well said to all of the above. Exactly my standpoint

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Post by auralassassin » Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:23 pm

Grievous Angel wrote:Just my two cents...

There is some evidence to suggest that downloading has some beneficial effects on mainstream music sales. (There have been a number of academic studies which indicate this -- I'm thinking of the Harvard Business School one in particular.)

However, it is also a fact that downloading damages the sales of a number of non-mainstream genres. For example, there are a number of reasons why Grime artists don't enjoy greater commercial success, but one important one is that too many grime fans download tracks when they could afford to buy them, or one of the (now numerous) compilations featuring grime tracks. This is less of an issue with dubstep, but it's still something of a problem as Plastician has indicated.

It's also a fact that few if any of the main dubstep artists make money from record sales. Just consider the sales volumes and work out the net profit -- it's just not enough to live on. They scrape by from doing shows. A lot work part time. If as many dubstep fans bought their records as could afford to, then there would be a lot more dubstep records in the world.

It's difficult to criticise downloaders who simply can't afford to buy the music -- if they're that short of cash then they wouldn't be able to buy it anyway, so it's not a lost sale. But there's a lot of people who could afford it and are either too tight or too lazy to shell out for vinyl or, even a 99p -- 99 fucking p - download from bleep.

I have a problem with those people.
That's a pretty good stance to be on, actually. I'll modify mine to this... but still think that even if you can't afford it, you shouldn't steal... this isn't eating--this is a commodity.

Most producers are making the real money with touring and DJ gigs, not from producing.

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Post by seckle » Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:04 pm

Grievous Angel wrote:Just my two cents...

There is some evidence to suggest that downloading has some beneficial effects on mainstream music sales. (There have been a number of academic studies which indicate this -- I'm thinking of the Harvard Business School one in particular.)
I followed that Harvard study at length. Their research was based off of a year of studying SLSK and Soundscan records here in America.
http://www.soundscan.com/about.html
It specifically tracked very popular mass marketed artists with MTV and Radio airplay compared with databased barcoded sales records. Their findings have been thrown back at the RIAA by Filesharing blogs and websites as proof that there is positive impact.

You can't apply that harvard study to our scene in any way because Dance Music Vinyl 12" sales aren't tabulated by Soundscan or any formal Electronic Database. As far as I know, there isn't any study that has proven anything for or against the impact of filesharing in underground UK music. It's simply groundless. What you can say without hesitation, is that NO one with the exception of maybe Tempa has made significant profits in this scene.

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Post by mrjiggyfly » Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:21 pm

I don't believe in stealing music from independent, broke artists, but the majors can take it in the ass for all I care. Metallica used to come in to the restaurant where I worked right about the time Lars Ulrich was throwing his big hissy fit, and believe me they got more money than GOD, so if someone steals there music or from others rich cocksuckers like them .Who fucking cares!!!!!

Here's what i think of this thread!!!!!

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Post by auralassassin » Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:35 pm

lol... steal from majors all you want.

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Post by dermike » Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:52 pm

What do you guys think of calling it "borrowing"? My main reason for downloading is either to listen to stuff before it's officially released or just because I can't stand waiting for the mailman.. maybe I could go as low as an impatient gentleman thief. ;)
When it comes to dubstep, and other vinyl dominated music, I urge all producers and labels to put it out on Bleep or whereever as fast as they can! I'm sure I'm not the only one without turntables... Digital distribution is like made for people like us!

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Post by auralassassin » Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:28 pm

LEGAL distribution... stealing is stealing.

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Post by ufo over easy » Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:38 pm

Someone lock this nonsense, or I'll rise to auralassassins bait again :roll:
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Post by seckle » Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:38 pm

UFO over easy wrote:Someone lock this nonsense, or I'll rise to auralassassins bait again :roll:
Theres no reason to lock this thread. It's just filled with people expressing opinions and holding their ground. In fact, i'd rather we get the SLSK soap opera over and done with in this one thread. What we don't need is 20 more threads about it.

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Post by mrjiggyfly » Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:47 pm

auralassassin wrote:LEGAL distribution... stealing is stealing.

"Honest, I would have had the money to buy the shirt next week, I just wanted to wear it today"
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Blah, Blah :!: :!:

Hey Aural, will you front me some tunes. :lol: :lol:
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