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Post by jaime » Fri Aug 17, 2007 2:58 pm


There has obviously been a lot of talk about all this - I remember a lot of these questions were asked after the first non-smoking DMZ but this is a dedicated thread - maybe there has been one before but I couldnt find it... maybe I am a mong. After reading something Poax said about House Parties maybe being the future or something or other I thought it would be cool to see what everyone thinks....

A few questions: answer all or none of them

Are numbers in clubs suffering?

In turn are lower profile nights losing out by comparison to full blown events such as tonight at the end?

Will smoker friendly house parties become the dubstep way?

Can hardcore smokers last in plastic people (or any given club) from 11pm - 3.30am? Can going raving be like going to the cinema, boarding a flight etc, where smoking is just something you forget about for a bit.?

Is the atmosphere in clubs fledging due to the back and forth, outside shuffle of weed and tab smokers alike?

Is the atmosphere in clubs "not what it used to be" with the lack of hazey smoke and less pungent human odours?

Does it concern you?

((Can other mans from different cities pipe up and tell us about the ban, dubstep and their cities too....? ))

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Post by vonboyage » Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:07 pm

Excellent questions..

Id love to answer em, but i aint been to a shub since the Smoking Ban was introduced.

House parties though, This seems like THE feasable alternative, I'd go to 'em all day long.

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Post by jaime » Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:08 pm

thanks vonboyage, hoping some people will want to answer a few of them, they are the people that know as well....

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Post by *decibella~~ » Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:09 pm

Jaime wrote:

Is the atmosphere in clubs fledging due to the back and forth, outside shuffle of weed and tab smokers alike?

Is the atmosphere in clubs "not what it used to be" with the lack of hazey smoke and less pungent human odours?
YES to both of these!

I have found, much to my utter dissapointment it propa makes a difference to the atmospere with half the club outside.


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Post by jaime » Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:17 pm

*DeCiBella~~ wrote:
Jaime wrote:

I have found, much to my utter dissapointment it propa makes a difference to the atmospere with half the club outside.

yeah thats the thing - was at plastic people this weds to see Martyn and we stayed under ground for about an hour and half, saw Martyn's set then headed out for a zoot round the back, but when we got outside - half the club were there, there were at most 100 people there anyway - 40 odd outside!

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Post by dubsola » Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:21 pm

YES it has made a difference.

Clubs smell of humans much more noticeably now.
The lack of smokiness has detracted from the atmosphere.
Half the people are outside smoking up, and some of them don't come back in.
It's a pain in the ass going outside for a spliff (although it is nice to get some fresh air) and spoils the mood - you have to go back inside, and try re-join the groove you left.
People are getting busted left right and center for smoking weed, because it's easier to spot outside.
Bouncers have one more reason to go on an ego trip.

Bad examples: Fabric's smoking deal sucked the other weekend, you had to join a queue to get a 'smokers wristband', then join an enormous queue to go outside. I waited 40 minutes, then was given 6 minutes to smoke up. Needless to say I only did this once. On the plus side I did chat to some Espaniens who were cool. BUT STILL.

Imagine what it's going to be like in winter, when it's freezing cold and raining?

I'm going to the End tonight, and it will suck. I want to light up!

The only thing that justifies this ban, in my opinion, is that people who are working to pay the bills, like barstaff and such, don't deserve to be smoked out all the time if they don't want. EXCEPT for bar staff who go work at places Fabric, who smoke, who take drugs, and don't serve you properly. Fuck em. They can deal with the smoke.

ps Decibella your sig is smoking hot!

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Post by jaime » Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:29 pm

dubsola wrote:
ps Decibella your sig is smoking hot!

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Post by airtight » Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:40 pm

Smoking ban in austin has been in place now for well over a year.

And while bar owners protested that their income would drop drastically, this hasn't been the case. (i manage a bar myself) And some bars/clubs still even let you smoke inside, they just don't put ashtrays out.

Here, people still want to out to drink and hear DJ's on a soundsystem. It sucks as a dj to have part of your crowd outside smoking cigs, but most people have adapted to this now and smoke a bit less.

Not smelling like a fucking ashtray when you get home.
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Post by ekstrak » Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:47 pm

I gave up tabacco back in November. been out to nuff clubs n pubs between now and then. No issues, until..

the smoking ban !

the first time i'm finding it HARD is now they've dropped this bullshit ban. Ironic non ?

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Post by osk » Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:55 pm

Well, we chatted about Medium suffering on Weds didn't we? When we left, about the same number of peple as were inside were outside smoking and chatting.

Personally, I think it's the RIGHT thing to do. FLAME ME. In 100 years, cigarettes will surely be close to extinct. They are bad for you. Really? I'm not preaching, I just believe it gives people a reason not to smoke. And that's good.

I agree that it has had an effect on atmosphere, but everyone needs to get used to it. The times they are a changing.

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Post by emcee child » Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:17 pm

the smoking ban was in effect when i moved to the states so dancefloors were already used to it..

there is often a large contingent of people smoking outside but after all this time it seems the heads at parties find an equilibrium so u never lose too many heads at any one time.

I'm sure with a bit of time this'll happen in London
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Post by hera » Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:19 pm

ffs, again? you will get used to it. if theyre passing this law in friggin bumfuck virginia youre not gonna escape it. youre always gonna need a proper venue with proper sound and bar like mass, and stepping out for cigarette wont seem like such a bitch if you quit fighting it mmmkay?

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Post by relaks » Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:21 pm

you'll get used to it. Stop complaining. I know its a big change, you guys in england are late-comers to the moaning and complaining.

I feel like it's about 5 years I been listening to people bitch about this. Don't worry, you will adapt. So will the numbers, so will the clubs. This is not the end of the world.
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Post by corpsey » Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:23 pm

It does my head in not being able to smoke on the dancefloor- half the time I don't even want a cigarette, it's just the fact I CAN'T have one that makes me want one lol

Furthermore, not being able to bun at dubstep nights is a shitter. Can't be arsed to leave the club half the time either.

And finally- since I haven't got a cigarette I substitute it with another drink. Spending far too much on drinks now.

Dunno if house parties are the future, would be good to go to some tho

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Post by kazuo » Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:59 pm

well first you gotta set up a proper system at a house party :P

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Post by quietmouse » Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:25 pm

for a scene thats always talking about moving forward, you guys are sure behind the times on smoking..

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Post by owengriffiths » Sat Aug 18, 2007 12:05 am

Out of curiosity, what percentage of people at a dubstep night want to smoke blunts? Where I live no one goes to a club to smoke blow, so is this just a london/ England thing. How many of you would not go out because you cant toke. I can understand smokers being really upset as niccotine is a proper addiction, though i support the ban anyway. People should give ganja free dubstep more of a chance!

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Post by enzyme » Sat Aug 18, 2007 4:01 am

Well, I guess I'll be the voice of dissent here. I'm a non-smoker, and I absolutely love the smoking ban in Cali. It is great to go out to a club and come home with clear eyes, no cough, and my clothes not covered in smoke. Besides, bar employees shouldn't be forced to suck down thousands of cigs worth of secondhand smoke every night.

Smoke outside. Get over it people.
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Post by djshiva » Sat Aug 18, 2007 6:53 am

uk: no smoking in clubs. big soundsystems.

us: spotty no smoking in clubs, depending on where you are. spotty soundsystems, depending on where you are.

i would say you guys get the better end of the deal.
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Post by shonky » Sat Aug 18, 2007 8:02 am

For the summer it's not too bad, cause you can go out and chat and take a breather - hardly any clubs have chill out rooms any more anyway so it's quite cool. When people are going out and coming back in looking like drowned rats in winter it's clearly going to be more of a problem.

Having said that, having half the club outside isn't. Makes me think twice about going now to be honest

If the government genuinely gave a shit about the effects of smoking, they should ban it outright. Nice little earner for the treasury though innit



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