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Post by purecain » Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:07 pm

now then.... my girlfriend is a lapdancer and i spent many a night in that environment, and i have to say it didnt put many women off comin in with there boyfriends for a good time. theres a good vibe in these places, as everyone is enjoyin themselves. if there are any women who are feeling uncomfortable about havin half naked girls walkin around then please dont worry. you get used to it and in the end appriciate the vibe they helped create.

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Post by lucky_strike » Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:09 pm

purecain wrote:now then.... my girlfriend is a lapdancer and i spent many a night in that environment, and i have to say it didnt put many women off comin in with there boyfriends for a good time. theres a good vibe in these places, as everyone is enjoyin themselves. if there are any women who are feeling uncomfortable about havin half naked girls walkin around then please dont worry. you get used to it and in the end appriciate the vibe they helped create.
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Post by bribkin » Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:23 pm

UFO: yes ur right. i have actually been studying gender stuff and thinkin about it for a long time now. so i'm a rant now:

it was weird noticing just in myself what kind of pressures u can feel as a girl wanting to be in music but finding yrself surrounded by the kinds of images of women that pervade a lot of scenes. (its not just music, i was thinking about it watching 'beauty and the geek' the other night)... i actually found myself feeling much more worried about what i look like than i normally do. which is something that as i've grown up i've tried to teach myself about and i am a pretty strong and independent lady...

so yeah it definitely affects our relationship with music. why are there so few girls in certain scenes if its not cuz of these same kinds of pressures? how hard is it for girls to get involved in things, especially if they are not very confident? peeps definitely need to start thinking and talking about this more. especially in terms of thinking about what goals women make for themselves and why, and conversely the way men perceive/react to women sometimes and why.

LUCKY STRIKE: i dont feel at all uncomfortable with seein naked women, and that's just the kind of PATRONISING and ignorant attitude towards women who speak up that pisses me off. it is the way people will treat u as a woman in atmospheres like that, especially if u are a person who chooses not to make an easy sexual object of yourself. it is funny how if you start talking about shit like this there is bound to be some mans who comes up with a stupid put down like that. its an example of exactly what i'm talking about.

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Post by deville » Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:28 pm

mos dan wrote:
bribkin wrote:big up the wotless boys for lookin out for me!
u shouldn't have to be looked out for, this sounds just wrong. yeah i'm happy to support the fact yr pushing dubstep forward in leeds or wherever else, but like the man ben says, u don't need to use/treat human beings as wallpaper to do it, standard
I wasn't going to post on this thread again but you have deliberately taken the idea of 'looking after' out of context to be honest it worries me that you think that we are mistreating or using anyone. We are not, end of. It's a PARTY and the girls that work do it because they enjoy it. To turn it round, who are you to say what they can and can't do to make a living?
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Post by twisted beatz » Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:30 pm

RIGHT PEOPLE here is 60sec audio takein from Mark Ones set. Listen and you will hear how lively it is in there !!!!!

http://s62.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2QUO ... 1ZWEQ0EL34

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Post by ufo over easy » Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:30 pm

In drum and bass, girls who go to nights are treated as eye candy by most. That they might actually be into the music isn't something that crosses most guys minds. It's a little sad, and I don't want the same to happen to dubstep.

Of course, a lot of the girls who go to nights don't make it any easier on themselves by dressing the way they do... it works both ways. If you want to be respected respect yourself blah blah blah.
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Post by deville » Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:35 pm

UFO over easy wrote:In drum and bass, girls who go to nights are treated as eye candy by most. That they might actually be into the music isn't something that crosses most guys minds. It's a little sad, and I don't want the same to happen to dubstep.

Of course, a lot of the girls who go to nights don't make it any easier on themselves by dressing the way they do... it works both ways. If you want to be respected respect yourself blah blah blah.
Believe it or not, I totally agree with all of this. But the whole strip club argument is very complicated. Women do like going to them too after all. I've been to other strip clubs with girls loads of times and they have had dances etc etc.
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Post by 8bitwonder » Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:38 pm

the dancers will have a really good night on top of the fact that they are gunna make lots of cash in the process- and we get to enjoy the human form.....


while we are all bouncing...

and if it was the other way round men arent usually allowed to be in a male private dancing club

so women have got a good deal

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Post by kion » Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:42 pm

lmao at trying to justify it. Girls, its ok you'll get used to it, and think of yourself lucky that you're actually allowed in. :lol: :roll: :lol:

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Post by bribkin » Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:46 pm

yeah yeah actually i wrote that and then laughed at myself...

safe look i'm really not tryin to cuss yr night. i repeat THE VIBE WAS LIVE and THE PERFORMANCE WAS PROPERLY HEAVY and BIG UP TO WHAT U DOING WIT THE MUSIC. especially i want to say i really felt like u was working much harder than some grime peeps will in LDN to engage the crowd and it was wicked to watch.

but - one of the things i've been loving about dubstep is that its free from the obvious machismo that can be very alienating for women who like music and that pervades a lot of scenes.

i really dont mean it as a disrespect to u or to any of the strippers. deville u right its very complex! and much love n respect to u seriously.

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Post by elgato » Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:49 pm

DeVille wrote:I wasn't going to post on this thread again but you have deliberately taken the idea of 'looking after' out of context to be honest it worries me that you think that we are mistreating or using anyone. We are not, end of. It's a PARTY and the girls that work do it because they enjoy it. To turn it round, who are you to say what they can and can't do to make a living?
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I dunno man, I dont think anyone is saying that stripping should be banned, I dont think anyone is saying what they can and cant do. I dont think anyone is accusing you of mistreating or using anyone. It seems to be more about the atmosphere and reputation that we as a scene want to push. I think that people are concerned that it will put women off coming who might have otherwise come, and if you make the choice to take that route then that is your decision i guess, but it seems that peoples' concerns were about the comfort which women would feel, and the impression that people would be given of the scene.

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Post by purecain » Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:51 pm

i wouldnt let my own girlfriend dance if it was a seedy environment that took advantage of women, but let me tell you its paid for a lot of nice things and has never upset or made her feel used. its the other way around . my woman gets everything she wants and goes where ever she wants on holiday, her quality of life is amazing thanks to lapdancing. she also now has the resources to start her own buisiness and really live her life. i'll ask her oppinion of all this when she gets home.

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Post by mos dan » Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:53 pm

virus merk onna regs, strippers are well paid (though i doubt as well paid as the strip club owners), yeah everyone knows all these things to be true no doubt.

and i'm not accusing u or anyone else as individuals of using women nah nah, i just don't see how it isn't gonna put some women off. and with the chinstrokey beardie beardie attitude you get in so much dance music combined with straight misogyny that situation ain't gonna get any better.

and don't tell me i'm misrepresenting bribkin, she can say that herself if it's true - would u have felt as comfortable without the wotless boys there? say if you'd gone on yr own or with a female friend. don't get me wrong this ain't supposed to be a leading question i'm just asking whether it's the case get me?

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Post by mos dan » Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:56 pm

oops, missed about four posts while writing that. yes elgato, exactly, thank you.

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Post by elgato » Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:56 pm

bribkin wrote:but - one of the things i've been loving about dubstep is that its free from the obvious machismo that can be very alienating for women who like music and that pervades a lot of scenes.
This is exactly it. It may well be that you've thought it through and you're happy with it, and that is difficult to argue with, but just be aware of the way it may make women feel who actually do go down, the impression that may be given to people (not just women, but particularly women) who dont know about dubstep, the effect which things like this may have on the scene as a whole

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Post by gaff » Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:57 pm

i used to dance and if someone wanted to pay 20 for 2mins to c my routine then im sorry but who's the fool

im a women please dont be scared or put off lets have some bass and a laugh

and stop insecurities because girls aint supa models but there inner beauty that makes them attractive shines through

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Post by elgato » Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:58 pm

Im honestly very sorry if i sound preachy

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Post by twisted beatz » Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:00 pm

Twisted Beatz wrote:RIGHT PEOPLE here is 60sec audio takein from Mark Ones set. Listen and you will hear how lively it is in there !!!!!

http://s62.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2QUO ... 1ZWEQ0EL34

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Post by kozee » Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:02 pm

I personally love strip clubs... i've been wanting to do a grime/dub-step party in the states.

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Post by purecain » Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:05 pm

look its not just a big idea its a massive idea respect twisted beats for doin what others dont!!!

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