Whereas certain elements of the sound have solidified around key sonic signifiers such as 'the wobble', and to many new listeners this has become what dubstep is, there are other artists making music which is 'dubstep-not-quite-dubstep'. this music i'm finding very interesting.
this is not about the whole what is or what isn't dubstep thing. i hate the idea of backing up any notion of what dubstep is and what it isn't. it used to be the case that no one could say that about this sound.
but i am interested in sounds on the outskirts. other music which is incorporating dubstep into it and new music that is being made which is informed by dubstep but doesn't fit within the newfound template of what dubstep 'is'.
in particular i'm thinking about king midas sound, burial, boxcutter a made up sound, milanese, various production, other artists dabbling such as modeselektor and even producers off this forum experimenting wildly with the sound such as threnody, metalbox etc.
With this in mind i would like us to talk about the dubstep oeuvre. New music which has pricked up your ears as having a dubstep element, how the sound is clearly reaching out to and influencing artists outside of dubstep and where the future lies for exactly how dubstep is reaching out beyond the confines of this once minute scene.
They've posited a dubstep/electro/house crossover.
I've been liking other electro artists take on the dubstep sound too.
People like Rustie, making what could be dubstep influenced beats at 115 BPM.
The other thing I kind of wished could have happened was a dubstep/broken beat crossover.
Obviously ThinKing has been pushing for this kind of thing since way back.
Benga keeps making stuff that has a broken influence.
Every once in awhile someone else will try their hand at it.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... D=13594787
Thats a broken beat producer called Kid Gusto whose been experimenting with it.
And obviously there is also Dogdaze/2562/A Made Up Sound.
Darkstar's recent stuff has kind of reminded me of broken beat a little.
Neleswa brings a jazz background into the music, and it ends up sounding like broken beat meets Burial.
Really great stuff IMO.
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Unless someone has now started changing their sound because of dubstep, it's more tunes that can be assimilated and played in a set isn't it?
Well up for more broken beat, 2 steppy action because to my ears a lot of what's getting released dubstep-wise isn't rhythmically interesting - found this which I'd say is probably more grime influenced broken beat by Rednose Distrikt but I quite liked it.
I also find it a bit wierd when people are talking about the "new" style of incorporating minimal techno influences - two words - Horsepower Productions. Not saying that everyone should have to know the history of the music to appreciate it's current styles, but I do think it detracts from the real innovators who were doing that 6 years earlier.
I think that there may be an opportunity for some jungle crossover business too, been hearing snippets of breaks to give dubstep tunes a bit of momentum and there seems to be a move by some dnb producers towards slower beats in the 145-155 range like the original junglist tunes but with contemporary production values. Been buying quite a few old bits of jungle and it's really not that far removed tempo wise to modern dubstep and the style was more open in those days (like dubstep was).
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Theres just so much good bass-heavy music coming out right now and the technology is there now so that you can go between drasticaly changing tempos fluidly with some planning and practice. Ive been having alot of fun playing records lately, so much to choose from. Ive stopped thinking in terms of genre and more in terms of feel and vibe, its very liberating.
i agree. i'm really liking the sort of stereotyp/al haca brand of what i think is called 'digital dancehall', really stripped down beats and enormous bass. can't really say if it's dubstep influenced, though. sounds great all the sameSurely it's a bit difficult to say whether something is influenced by dubstep or it's just a more bass heavy version of a previous sound
I too am really feeling the current crop of 2step-influenced gear - 2562, TRG, Martyn - that's what I'm loving most.
But what I really want is very deep, very soft, very heavy dubz with female vocals - r'n'b-step. DOne one or two things in this style. It should fuck off the d'n'b refugees too.
Further out, there's influence on the black dog - check out their "floods" 12. Apparently basement jaxx have had a dabble - didn't rate it much though. I'm still waiting for some overt house / dubstep crossover action (that isn't mala!).
Plus there's chunky bizzle on the grime side doing very dubstep-influenced grimw...
Definitely with you on this one. Although there are some nice vocal (albeit sometimes cheesey) 2-step tunes in the garage scene the absence of some quality darker bits is being rectified by said artists above. The swing of the old tracks (El-B et al.) is finally being reproduced and at times, with a techno inflection. Although I'm a tad ambivalent toward the more techo influenced creations.Grievous Angel wrote:I too am really feeling the current crop of 2step-influenced gear - 2562, TRG, Martyn - that's what I'm loving most.
Would love to see some 2-step and dubstep with Todd Edwards style chopped vocals, would really be a mixing of old and new worlds... Closest I've heard is this track by The Crazy Baldheads 'First Born', probably my favourite 2-step tune of all time, well underplayed and so original...
RE Dubstep, I'm really feeling the smooth-step tracks which are pitched a bit slower than your average tune and with some lovely vocals on top - think Susheela Raman and the Kromestar Floetry mix.
breakage has been making stuff like that for a while, same with amitsapphic_beats wrote: one big standout for me is breakage's new one clarendon/the shroud. the dubstep influence is all over it, yet it is more at dnb tempo.
i like this one, pretty good
well barring the odd classic Digital tune ( Foolbwoy for example... and if i remember rightly, deadline) Amit was the first dnb producer to stick exclusively to that depressive halfstep vibe.chutnut wrote:breakage has been making stuff like that for a while, same with amitsapphic_beats wrote: one big standout for me is breakage's new one clarendon/the shroud. the dubstep influence is all over it, yet it is more at dnb tempo.
Took the words out of my mouth.sapphic_beats wrote:obviously i have not been quiet about how hot 2562/a made up sound is...
one big standout for me is breakage's new one clarendon/the shroud. the dubstep influence is all over it, yet it is more at dnb tempo.
That, the Mark Pritchard / Steve Spacek number from a few weeks back and the Made Up Sound 12 have stood out a mile. All tunes that should work perfectly in a dance but maybe won't make it into most sets because of their tempo.
Clarendon and The Shroud have that early, stripped-to-the-bone sound that hooked me into dubstep a couple of years back, and that's sorely missing from aso much of todays output. Funnily enough, while Callaghan, Breakage's new number is an undeniably heavy tune, to my ears, Clarendon and The Shroud work more successfully as a dubstep, despite their bpm.
Which brings me onto the point I'm attempting to make, that dubstep at varying tempos is where it could get interesting. Pinch is already playing with this. The scene's embraced pretty much every musical style with open arms: techno, rock, industrial, minimal, the list goes on. And unlike so many other genres, you'll hear all of them in a single night at DMZ. So why not mess with the tempos every now and then? If producers and DJ's can occasionally free themselves from the BPM counter, then things can get really interesting.
Hopefully it will get influenced by the atmospheric qualities of dubstep, the space and less frentic tempo, rather than just the mad wobble aggro tunes, which are pretty much the dubstep equivalent of the sort of tunes being made by Clipz, Gen Dub etc. already. I'd love to see DNB slow down a bit.
shame it was a bit crap
shonky if u start mixing jungle techno in with yr steppy stuff yr gonna make me a happy man..
burial album nails thisDjslate wrote:Grievous Angel wrote:
Would love to see some 2-step and dubstep with Todd Edwards style chopped vocals, would really be a mixing of old and new worlds..
Been working on some junglist vibe stuff (but at 132bpm), with some offbeat 2 step underneath it - actually works really well cause the breaks still swing at that tempo. There was a bit of a jungle vibe on some of the earlier garage (unsurprisingly given it's history) and I do remember Benny Ill using a very subtle amen snippet on Generations way back (under the Dub War monicker)sully_shanks wrote:shonky if u start mixing jungle techno in with yr steppy stuff yr gonna make me a happy man..
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