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Post by guerillaeye » Sat Apr 19, 2008 12:18 am

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also, agents are not pimps! at the end of the day, it's the artist who decides how much their fee should be for any particular gig.
i don't even know who originally made this statement from that mess of quotes, but that simply isn't true in a lot of cases. speaking from experience it's often the agent who wades in with an exorbitantly high quote in the self-serving interest of bumping up their 15% and in actual fact sometimes does the artist they're supposedly trying to represent out of a gig. if you can go artist direct it's often better (contractual committments permitting).
10% is the standard. 15% may be asked if other duties that would normally fall on managements lap find their way onto a booking agents plate.

And if the agent is doing their job, they ask what they have been asked to ask and do everything in their power to get that amount as a service to the ARTIST. Some areas will be asked more than others depending on the locality.

Also, in a lot of cases, the agent nor the artist really have an idea what a show should fetch in certain areas, so a little guess work is required.. starting with a high bid and finding the happy medium is usually the case. Nobody in this 'scene' (for lack of a better term) is looking to "get over" ... they only want what is fair under those UNIQUE circumstances. Open lines of communication with the agent and see where that gets you. I bet, with a clear understanding that the agent is working with pre-established terms and a willingness to work towards a fair and equal resolution, you may land a show that is good for everyone rather than writing off an agent and loosing a potential connection.

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Post by selector.dub.u » Sat Apr 19, 2008 12:22 am

shtrofuké wrote:And the moral of the story is that Epithet needs a nice agent for his world journey!
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Post by abZ » Sat Apr 19, 2008 12:27 am

It's crazy how times have changed. From 98-2000 I was making around 250 usd for a gig. And thats a nobody local. These days I get drunk. Once in a while I'll get 50 bucks. Out of town gigs I get travel and beer. I don't play if I don't get alcohol at least. Thats where I draw the line. I am not going to invest all my time and money into djing and then have to basically pay myself to play. I'd rather just go out and not have to dj if it's going to be that way.

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Post by dubnerd » Sat Apr 19, 2008 1:52 am

boobies^

i remember djing for free once and being forced to hand my jacket over to be put in a cloakroom and being charged for it.

Some club owners deserve to be hung by their scrotums.

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Post by same'0 » Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:38 am

isnt this for the dj to know and the promoter to find out.

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Post by random trio » Sat Apr 19, 2008 9:35 am

Having an agent is pretty handy. I've been self representative since 2000 up untill this month. None of us are greedy and take fee's accordingly. A number of times i've taken a booking for a said date only be told a month before that they cant afford it and have to cancel. This can be a pain in the auns having turned down other bookings. With an agent your pretty much coverd if this happens. And more then likely vise verser, if the dj has to cancel the agent is able to send another dj. Saves alot of stress all round i think.

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Post by blackmass plastics » Sat Apr 19, 2008 9:58 am

i charge a premium not to skin up in your club...smoking venues get a freebie....

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Post by bribkin » Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:04 am

epithet wrote:I really don't see what the big deal is and i'm not being rude or ugly just curious. Whats so insulting about wanting to know how much a club pays and in comparison to other places around the world ? Its not like i am asking what promoters have actually paid or the walk home pay of a top DJ after tax, agent fees and overheads like dubplate cutting etc. Its not a loaded question and there is no malice in my motive or intent. If this thread or my question offends then don't say anything and just leave it at that.

My point with seckle was, as a mod he should know better cos frankly one word just comes off lazy and antagonistic. Qualify your opinion or dont say anything. Much respect to those who answered the question in the manner it was intended and to the rest i leave you with air. Breathe it in, it's good for you.
Well this is a community forum right? And if people are bringing to it things other people don't like they should be respected in wanting to say so.

If you're curious about what to charge people then you should contact them or their agents.

What you have done by putting up this thread is making people's personal business public. And you didnt ask how much dubstep DJs get paid, you asked who was the highest paid DJ. Which is entirely opposite to the spirit you are claiming your question was in.

You specifically asked 'world's' and you specifically asked 'highest paid'.

Also I never made any insults to you personally, that's you bringing that kind of thing into it, not me, or Seckle.

I got quite a lot of put downs for you in my head right now but I aint even gonna bother.

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Post by dj heny.g » Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:22 am

bribkin wrote:
epithet wrote:I really don't see what the big deal is and i'm not being rude or ugly just curious. Whats so insulting about wanting to know how much a club pays and in comparison to other places around the world ? Its not like i am asking what promoters have actually paid or the walk home pay of a top DJ after tax, agent fees and overheads like dubplate cutting etc. Its not a loaded question and there is no malice in my motive or intent. If this thread or my question offends then don't say anything and just leave it at that.

My point with seckle was, as a mod he should know better cos frankly one word just comes off lazy and antagonistic. Qualify your opinion or dont say anything. Much respect to those who answered the question in the manner it was intended and to the rest i leave you with air. Breathe it in, it's good for you.
Well this is a community forum right? And if people are bringing to it things other people don't like they should be respected in wanting to say so.

If you're curious about what to charge people then you should contact them or their agents.

What you have done by putting up this thread is making people's personal business public. And you didnt ask how much dubstep DJs get paid, you asked who was the highest paid DJ. Which is entirely opposite to the spirit you are claiming your question was in.

You specifically asked 'world's' and you specifically asked 'highest paid'.

Also I never made any insults to you personally, that's you bringing that kind of thing into it, not me, or Seckle.
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Post by dubwise_gamgee » Sat Apr 19, 2008 12:09 pm

ah man, he might have formulated it a bit strange, but the man's just interested in some facts, e.g. you get 200 € standardly at "club xyz" in "etc...".

this discussion once again proves the inability of some forum peeps to cope with topics, that don't fit into the "biggest tune of the month" "xyz is a don" "xyz aftermath" threads..

it's all about manners.

and if no artist wants to reply to his question, fine. nobody hurt. nothing happend. easy..

and it's not soooo personal, it's not like your asking a question about some artist's granny or so, haha...

i don't think it would hurt anybody to know how much you get paid for a standard gig at fwd (e.g. warmup set, primetime set, etc).

and to answer the thread "headline".. i'd just guess that skream gets paid the most, as he's got mad gigs and is one of the most famous dubstep artists (klaxon remix got a loooot of publicity, etc)...

you know, there is a great option of just ignoring a thread you might find dumb. focus on some other topic where you can contribute in a positive way.

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Post by ozols man » Sat Apr 19, 2008 12:18 pm

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Post by pete_bubonic » Sat Apr 19, 2008 12:21 pm

dubwise_gamgee wrote:ah man, he might have formulated it a bit strange, but the man's just interested in some facts, e.g. you get 200 € standardly at "club xyz" in "etc...".

this discussion once again proves the inability of some forum peeps to cope with topics, that don't fit into the "biggest tune of the month" "xyz is a don" "xyz aftermath" threads..

it's all about manners.

and if no artist wants to reply to his question, fine. nobody hurt. nothing happend. easy..

and it's not soooo personal, it's not like your asking a question about some artist's granny or so, haha...

i don't think it would hurt anybody to know how much you get paid for a standard gig at fwd (e.g. warmup set, primetime set, etc).

and to answer the thread "headline".. i'd just guess that skream gets paid the most, as he's got mad gigs and is one of the most famous dubstep artists (klaxon remix got a loooot of publicity, etc)...

you know, there is a great option of just ignoring a thread you might find dumb. focus on some other topic where you can contribute in a positive way.

peace
You don't really get it mate.

The amount of money paid to anyone for any job shouldn't really be discussed in public. It's simply common decency. The transaction, as mentioned before, is the private business of the promoter/agent/artist.

And there are numerous reasons for this.

1. I can only guess Skream might get more money than me for playing FWD>>, but even if he doesn't what business is it of mine? Or yours?

2. Every deal is subject to unique circumstances, and for an artist to have their fee's bandied around by people who aren't involved i the scene at all is only going to cause friction. Whether the artist now feels they're charging too much and or not enough, through to the punters (the majority) of this board blindly cussing down agents because they don't really consider what the job entails.

3. It's the internet. And as a result they are loud mouth opinionated fools who seem to think because they've bought someone's record they have the right to know all the intimate details of that person's business. If I buy at hotdog at the stall down my street, I don't ask the breh the cost price, the profit margins and whether he thinks it's justified. I and I definitely wouldn't start preaching the high and mighty, 'stop being so uppity' card when he told me to do one. But this is the net.

I appreciate the curiosity and good nature of a debate concerning money for artists, don;t get it twisted I'm curious to see what the big names earn. But to expect specific's of someone's personal income (especially to plaster on a public message board) is rude, disrespectful and as Seckle said 'ugly'.

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Post by dubwise_gamgee » Sat Apr 19, 2008 12:32 pm

ok, your post makes sense. didn't think about this topic in that way...

my post was more "general". not focusing on what an individual artist earns, i just meant general assumptions. as i said, e.g. "you get about 300 quid if you are a semi-famous dj at fwd", whatever... ;)

i don't really care how much skream, mala, rusko earn for a gig personally. but still, it would be interesting to know "in general" how much dubstep dj's get paid (at fairly good gigs and clubs).

in the end, the real numbers of an indivdual artist are totally private and never should be posted on the net... but, some general discussion about general numbers in the biz won't hurt no individual.

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Post by slothrop » Sat Apr 19, 2008 4:03 pm

dubwise_gamgee wrote:ok, your post makes sense. didn't think about this topic in that way...

my post was more "general". not focusing on what an individual artist earns, i just meant general assumptions. as i said, e.g. "you get about 300 quid if you are a semi-famous dj at fwd", whatever... ;)

i don't really care how much skream, mala, rusko earn for a gig personally. but still, it would be interesting to know "in general" how much dubstep dj's get paid (at fairly good gigs and clubs).

in the end, the real numbers of an indivdual artist are totally private and never should be posted on the net... but, some general discussion about general numbers in the biz won't hurt no individual.
Yeah, I interpreted it in the general sense. I think a lot of people are getting riled up by the thread title (which is fucking stupid and was obviously going to antagonize people) and not reading the first post:
epithet wrote:How the hell should i know ?

But i was wondering whats a gig at say, fabric or ministry of sound pay or FWD even or down the local on a dubstep gig ?

Here in NZ its about $200 a night or $50 an hour, a $50 bartab and 2 names on the door.
...which is less about naming names (I heard that DJ X got £Y for playing a gig at Z) and more about rough orders of magnitude for a generic night in a given country.

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Post by epithet » Sun Apr 20, 2008 1:12 am

bribkin wrote: If you're curious about what to charge people then you should contact them or their agents.

What you have done by putting up this thread is making people's personal business public. And you didnt ask how much dubstep DJs get paid, you asked who was the highest paid DJ. Which is entirely opposite to the spirit you are claiming your question was in.

You specifically asked 'world's' and you specifically asked 'highest paid'.

Also I never made any insults to you personally, that's you bringing that kind of thing into it, not me, or Seckle.

I got quite a lot of put downs for you in my head right now but I aint even gonna bother.
I never asked any such thing about who was the worlds highes paid dubstep dj. And i didn't know what seckle was referrign to with his one word answer. I took it to mean he was talking about me but asked specifically "what the fuck does that mean" .I don't even recall adressing you in a post let alone insulting you. So save your breath.

Now... for the last time, i'm not interested in specifics for DJ's and their fees more about what limit a superclub woud pay for each room. I don't even give a shit whether they are dubstep DJ's. I could easily have been talking about breaks DJ's or DnB DJs at fabric. Do they get payed the same as dubstep DJ's ?I don't expect any DJ's to say how much they get paid and i wouldn't ask that of anyone in particular.

No names have been mentioned. Nothing personal against anyone, no offense meant. It seems some of you just want to get riled up for the sake of it and thats your choice but get this.

THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD IS A PISSTAKE TO SUCKER YOU INTO READING IT> IT'S A SENSATIONALIST PIECE OF FLUFF !!!

Of course it was titled to encourage discussion. Healthy, vibrant, robust discussion. This is a discussion board. Whats the problem ?... My writing style? For fucks sake, I can be a rude tnuc, so what ? I'm trying not to be :D

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Post by martyn » Sun Apr 20, 2008 1:36 am

I could go on for hours about all the absolute nonsense i read in this thread, but i'm not, simply cos it doesn't belong on a public forum. And yes this thread is a little ugly. I have a few random reactions, see what you do with them :

- re: considering it ugly to talk about fees: by playing in different countries, I've experienced different attitudes towards talking about money. In certain countries, asking a what you earn is not really done, while in others it's a more common thing to discuss that.

- re: super clubs and small clubs: whether a club has a big reputation in the scene has absolutely nothing to do with what dj's get paid to play there. Reputation is not what brings in money to put these nights on, its the amount of people that get in there and (if you're lucky) what they drink. Its all very basic economics.

- re: standard dj fees for certain clubs: those are give or take a few exceptions practically non-existent.

- re: "i dont need to know what a certain big name dj gets, but what does a semi-well-known dj get at FWD>> ?" : Now to me this is an equally rude question, show some respect to FWD>> and all those hundreds of promotors worldwide that put their money at risk every time they throw a night to bring some good music to the people. Where is the logic in saying a dj's finances are private but FWD>>'s budget can be public knowledge ? Promoting a night means making the night work musically and financially, to put it together so YOU can go there and enjoy yourself (hopefully). I think both parties financial situations are private and have to remain that, it's not business you discuss on a public forum.

- re: big nights fees: don't play dumb, big trance dj's get big fees cos they play at huge events, it's not as weird as you think it is (there are a few excessive cases). If you're Tiesto and you know you can pull 20000 people to a football stadium, paying 40 quid each for a ticket, would you charge 3000 euro ? Now I don't know the specifics of that NYE case that was mentioned but when 90% of the forum here doesn't know which night it was, how many people were there and what they charged at the door, you cannot judge a dj's fee for it either.

- re: agents: Go to a big name dj's myspace page and look at their huge lists of forthcoming gigs. To get each single gig confirmed takes a few (sometimes a lot of) emails and phonecalls to set the date, money negotiating, booking flights, send contracts across, get advances paid, make other travel arrangements, food, accomodation, technical rider, promotion and press packages for the promotor to work with, make itineraries for the artist, visa applications if necessary etc etc. If an artist would do all this himself, he would have no time for anything else, and this is why agents do this work. Of course there's good and bad agents but if an agent sorts all this out then he/she deserves the fee. Whats so appalling about that? It provides the artist the time and energy to do what hes supposed to do ; make music, play gigs and bring all this forward in a creative way.

- re: "agents are no good just go direct to the artist": as said above, a dj doesnt choose to have an agent for nothing. If you know he's exclusive, why try to bypass the agent for a better deal when an artist is too busy to handle a booking properly. Rather pay the extra 10/15% and do it right. Gives the promotor peace of mind knowing all is sorted, he's got the agreement on paper etc. etc.

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