I put it to you that Muslimgauze invented Dubstep in 1995

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I put it to you that Muslimgauze invented Dubstep in 1995

Post by amnesia » Fri Oct 14, 2005 5:08 am

I am a huge Muslimgauze fan and opwn over 60 releases by him (he is now dead) and around 95 he started only what I can say is Dubstep...any of you heard 90s mulimgauze?

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Post by boomnoise » Fri Oct 14, 2005 6:22 am

i would contend this, as dubstep has evolved out of a very particular set of circumstances. the sonics aren't unique to dubstep though so would be interested for you to name some MG tracks? i'm only on terms with a fraction of his work.

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Post by m9918868 » Fri Oct 14, 2005 8:29 am

Muslimgauze, together with the rootsman, made sounds that now would get classified as dubstep for sure. Check his intifada ep and you will see.

Anyway, for me dubstep bears quite some resemblance to some of the stuff earlier out on the ~scape label as well. Dubstep sounds might not be unique, the collage they make is. I guess.

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Post by dj $hy » Fri Oct 14, 2005 9:17 am

Interesting m8, you got any audio of this, v.interested in hearing it

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Post by amnesia » Fri Oct 14, 2005 9:19 am

Id love to give you an album or even tracks, but my whole collection is in storage, but i know he changed his style from indian percussive ambience in the 80 to heavy beats,indian percussion and big bass sounds in 95. Here is a complete discog well worth checkin
http://pretentious.net/Muslimgauze/disc.htm

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Post by r33lc4sh » Fri Oct 14, 2005 9:20 am

there were also some IDM tracks in the late 90ties which now could be put into the dubstep box
for me first "grime" track was mr oizo's "flat beat" :lol:
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Post by thinking » Fri Oct 14, 2005 9:27 am

I always thought Stereotyp was credited with writing one of the first dubstep tunes? Can't remember the name off the top of my head, but it was released on G-Stone.

Although it might not be pure dubstep, I point you in the direction of This Ain't Tom & Jerry by Cousin Cockroach (aka Dego 4Hero) which came out about 3 years ago on Bugz' label Bitasweet. J da used play it quite a lot on his show, but the mad thing is that it was written in about 1992, pretty much before even DnB as we know it had come into existence. Maybe it's a little more of a broken beat or dancehall vibe, but it's pretty damn close to a lot of dubstep too. Worth doing a Google for some audio if you don't know the tune. ;)

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Post by [b]racket » Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:10 am

Ive been diggin out the old Shut Up & Dance 12's as im going to hear them tonight.

There are a couple of tracks by Rum & Black that are def going down a prototype grime path. Mash up of breakbeats, bashments and square waves...

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Post by dub boy » Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:52 am

I would agree with ThinKing that some Stereotyp productions have a real Dubstep feel to them. Check out 'My Sound' from 2003 on G Stone. Some tunes on there are sublow all the way

I also reckon the rootsman point is spot on. Lots of his mid to late 90's dub productions also have extremely similar sonics to alot of the dubstep productions around at the moment

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Post by reza » Fri Oct 14, 2005 1:20 pm

ThinKing wrote:I always thought Stereotyp was credited with writing one of the first dubstep tunes? Can't remember the name off the top of my head, but it was released on G-Stone.

Although it might not be pure dubstep, I point you in the direction of This Ain't Tom & Jerry by Cousin Cockroach (aka Dego 4Hero) which came out about 3 years ago on Bugz' label Bitasweet. J da used play it quite a lot on his show, but the mad thing is that it was written in about 1992, pretty much before even DnB as we know it had come into existence. Maybe it's a little more of a broken beat or dancehall vibe, but it's pretty damn close to a lot of dubstep too. Worth doing a Google for some audio if you don't know the tune. ;)
that tune was made in 1992? :o starts off very dubby and then gets broken - classic tune.

check out 'hardcore on wax' by 2 reefer, dubby dark-ish tune from back in '92... by foul play under a pseudonym.

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Post by gravious » Sat Oct 15, 2005 3:04 pm

ThinKing wrote: Although it might not be pure dubstep, I point you in the direction of This Ain't Tom & Jerry by Cousin Cockroach (aka Dego 4Hero) which came out about 3 years ago on Bugz' label Bitasweet. J da used play it quite a lot on his show, but the mad thing is that it was written in about 1992, pretty much before even DnB as we know it had come into existence. Maybe it's a little more of a broken beat or dancehall vibe, but it's pretty damn close to a lot of dubstep too. Worth doing a Google for some audio if you don't know the tune. ;)
Thin i've got a J Da show with this on it somewhere - mighttry and dig it out.

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Post by bunzer0 » Sat Oct 15, 2005 3:11 pm

For me the early Photek d&b sounds are a direct roots for dubstep.
Listen again to his first album called Modus Operandi in 1997.
Abstract environment with a strong darkside taste ;-)

And what about the Horsepower Productions on Tempa ? Uk dubstep originators for sure !

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Post by autonomic » Sat Oct 15, 2005 3:51 pm

also check Sandoz' album "Chant to Jah" (1998) for predictions of dubstep's roots side. Kodama used a track from it in a recent mix on dubwy's site.

did the Burial release on Hyperdub remind anyone else of Pole, just a wee bit?

a dubstep mix using those two plus Muslimgauze has been knocking around in my head for a few months now but I doubt i'll get it together anytime soon. too busy right now.

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Post by c0p » Sat Oct 15, 2005 4:11 pm

yup, nice selection guys! muslimgauze rocks for sure. regarding to ~scape i`d recommend all the classic school of berlin dub (maurizio and all related things like basic channel records, pole (maurizio`s sound engineer, ~scape`s owner), chain reaction rec., rhythm&sound, burial mix rec. etc...) all are wicked minimal dub. i`m pretty much into minimal.

stereotyp is more tagged as part of vienna sound, there is an awesome 2step/dub/nujazz/dancehall mashup style. one of his earliest was yahman which was an unique dark dancehall minimalism. wicked track! also i recommend all things from dub club (regular show in flex club/vienna). they will turn to 10 yrs old this month and released again a very nice compilation of their sound.

and yeah i agree. there are a lot wicked dnb tunes produced in the past (and a few in present) that has something in common with dubstep.

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Post by bunzer0 » Sat Oct 15, 2005 4:50 pm

c0p wrote:yup, nice selection guys! muslimgauze rocks for sure. regarding to ~scape i`d recommend all the classic school of berlin dub (maurizio and all related things like basic channel records, pole (maurizio`s sound engineer, ~scape`s owner), chain reaction rec., rhythm&sound, burial mix rec. etc...) all are wicked minimal dub. i`m pretty much into minimal.

stereotyp is more tagged as part of vienna sound, there is an awesome 2step/dub/nujazz/dancehall mashup style. one of his earliest was yahman which was an unique dark dancehall minimalism. wicked track! also i recommend all things from dub club (regular show in flex club/vienna). they will turn to 10 yrs old this month and released again a very nice compilation of their sound.

and yeah i agree. there are a lot wicked dnb tunes produced in the past (and a few in present) that has something in common with dubstep.
Yeah ! The vienna and berlin school are hot as hell ! A couple of monthes ago, Al Haca soundsystem came in Brussels and it waz NIIIIIIIIICE :-)
Also big up to Stereotyp !!!! Great producer !!!

Hope one day some featurings between uk and german people will be done...
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Post by alex bk-bk » Sat Oct 15, 2005 9:10 pm

r33lc4sh wrote: for me first "grime" track was mr oizo's "flat beat" :lol:
you're a joker, but its so true now that you mention it. that bassline was ahead of its day! My first single as well !! Still think it's heavy. Oh my god, how embarrasing

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Post by bunzer0 » Sun Oct 16, 2005 2:59 am

Alex bk-bk wrote:
r33lc4sh wrote: for me first "grime" track was mr oizo's "flat beat" :lol:
you're a joker, but its so true now that you mention it. that bassline was ahead of its day! My first single as well !! Still think it's heavy. Oh my god, how embarrasing
No shame that's a WICKED track !!!!
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Post by subframe » Sun Oct 16, 2005 4:06 am

Very interesting. My pops is heavy into muslim gauze (he also took me to my first party - wrap your head around that one), so he's got quite a selection. I'll have to have a listen next time I'm home...
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Post by r33lc4sh » Sun Oct 16, 2005 12:42 pm

Alex bk-bk wrote:
r33lc4sh wrote: for me first "grime" track was mr oizo's "flat beat" :lol:
you're a joker, but its so true now that you mention it. that bassline was ahead of its day! My first single as well !! Still think it's heavy. Oh my god, how embarrasing
hey m8 that's really great tune - doesn't matter that it was in levi's commercial ;)
the whole "analog worms attack" album was wicked :P
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Post by worldy d » Sun Oct 16, 2005 9:44 pm

I'm sure there are dub releases from the 60s/70s that sound just like dubstep- just as there are dubstep tunes that sound like classic dub. Its only a matter of finding them. All it takes is a dark vibe and some "world" rhythms (African, Middle Eastern, Carribean,).

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