I put it to you that Muslimgauze invented Dubstep in 1995

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Post by skeksi » Tue Oct 18, 2005 8:09 pm

what about the spider net 12" on no - u - turn.........sick!....proto grime- tech step filth.... manslaughter by rufige kru on reinforced is pretty mutant aswell...big up the '96 hoover bass massive

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Post by -40 khz » Tue Oct 18, 2005 8:58 pm

yo, brussels: big up the berlin crew-burial mix + co. it would b awesome to see those guys work with the UK producers.

so yeah, muslimgauze is str8 DOPE, ppl. if anybody on here hasnt heard him, i would HIGHLY recommend it. considering the technological limitations that he had at the time, i would consider him a tru genius. he also came up with the "hoover" bassline b4 anybody in jungle did.

will try to post some tracks in the next couple days-can someone help me with this?

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Post by nonseq » Tue Oct 18, 2005 9:51 pm

Muslimgauze is great

also:
Optical 'Reckless Mission Dub Mix' on Metalheadz Ltd. Metal Box Set

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Post by r33lc4sh » Tue Oct 18, 2005 9:54 pm

u should check optical's remix of laibach's "god is god" from the cd#2 of the laibach "anthems" album
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Post by dubway » Tue Oct 18, 2005 10:13 pm

r33lc4sh wrote:u should check optical's remix of laibach's "god is god" from the cd#2 of the laibach "anthems" album
i have to check that out

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Post by nonseq » Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:05 pm

yeah sounds interesting

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Post by casino addict » Wed Oct 19, 2005 9:15 pm

autonomic wrote:did the Burial release on Hyperdub remind anyone else of Pole, just a wee bit?
Completely. I've just been sorting through loads of my records as I'm having a clear-out - listening to tons of Pole, Nonplace, ~scape, Burial Mix... There's a definite link there in terms of textures, bass heaviness and cold, alien moodiness.

Strangely enough, I picked up a copy of Flatbeat this week for 99p too.

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Post by dq » Wed Oct 19, 2005 9:59 pm

In the same vein as "Flatbeat" Paul Rose used that Detroit Grand Pubas track "We can make sandwiches" in one of his mixes recently and it worked perfectly.

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Post by r33lc4sh » Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:47 am

dq wrote:In the same vein as "Flatbeat" Paul Rose used that Detroit Grand Pubas track "We can make sandwiches" in one of his mixes recently and it worked perfectly.
yeap :) great mix and sandwiches gave it nice breath :)
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Post by gnd » Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:28 pm

i wonder that no one here didnt mention <b>Scorn</b> - i think he is very close to dubstep or maybe breakstep.
hmm one more name i can think of - <b>quench</b> has got on his record punctuated a marvelous space-dub tune called vexx which also evokes thoughts of dubstep..[/i]

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Post by franzjosefland » Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:49 pm

Also, Bargecharge ('All Day Long' in particular) stuff on Fuel records, circa 1998. Got lumped in with nu school breaks, but closer to dubstep in my opinion. Still some of the ruffest bass around.

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Post by bunzer0 » Sun Oct 23, 2005 4:13 pm

gnd wrote:i wonder that no one here didnt mention <b>Scorn</b>
Yup ! Not false...

I waz also thinking about another influence...


<b>The Woodshed</b> - Forty Miles of Rough Road


Released in 1995

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Post by katana » Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:56 am

Well, there might be some chance that some of those basic channel guys could make some dubstep. I know that some guys from 'Hardwax' (the record shop thats run by the basic channel guys) are really into dubstep. And i know of some other guy (forgot his name) whos is into minimalistic techno-stuff and who is now into dubstep as well. Some friend of mine - Circuit Breaker - told me that they wanted to produce some dubstep together and eventually start a label to release it.
Just some Berlin rumors

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Post by blackdown » Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:21 am

people need to separate 'cause' and 'coincidence.'

there's no direct causal link between Muzlimgauze and the late 90s dubstep godfathers (El-B, Zed Bias and Steve Gurley) even though there might be coincidental sonic similarities.

El-B was a big Basic Channel fan (who isn't) but i dont hear much BC in Ghost, bar the vocal dub similarities. El-B's sound is clean and crisp, BC is about noise and decay.
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Post by r33lc4sh » Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:05 am

as far as i know basic channel makes re-releases of classic jamaican roots dub, now :)
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Post by m9918868 » Mon Oct 24, 2005 10:16 am

Blackdown wrote:people need to separate 'cause' and 'coincidence.'
True, but music is not a process happening in a social vacuum. Music inspires other music, even if not in a direct or intentional way.

I know too little about production to provide sharp evidence, but it's not completely ridicule to state that the cut/paste experiments with tape of the french avantgarde had its influence on later electronica (the reversed, cut up, zoomed out, ... beats of some warp artists, for example)... which then influenced other contemporary artists to make more broken, weird beats -even when they never heard of Luc Ferrari, Edgard Varèse or Pierre Henry.

However, that does not mean that there would be merely a coincidental similarity between the weird sound of twirling saucepans (Ferrari, etc.) and the heavy swooshes on the latest Boxcutter.

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Post by amnesia » Mon Oct 24, 2005 10:19 am

Pierre Henry has a track that I am sure Aphex sampled for Ventolin for example.

Atom TM has done a cover version of John Cages 4.33 ha ha

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Post by bunzer0 » Mon Oct 24, 2005 10:22 am

amnesia wrote:Atom TM has done a cover version of John Cages 4.33 ha ha

LOL as a producer i use to make that cover every day i have no inspiration :P :P

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Post by shards » Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:45 pm

One from the archives.....

Just wanted to say it's really cool Stereotyp got mention so early on in this thread- I once suggested he was an uncredited architect of the sound on Dubplate.net & was told unequivocally it was Zed Bias & Oris Jay who created it, period. :|

But it was Stereotyp productions in 2000-01 like Jahman & The Ethiopian remix that got me into Dubstep- I wasn't feeling Tempa at the time. And if you dig a little deeper, you'll find he was even producing this style as early as 1999 as Sly & Mo'- check the Joint Venture LP :wink:

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Post by metalboxproducts » Tue Sep 26, 2006 7:38 pm

skeksi wrote:.... manslaughter by rufige kru on reinforced is pretty mutant aswell...big up the '96 hoover bass massive
Droped that into a mix not long ago :D:
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