[POLL] US Government Shutdown 2013

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US Government Shutdown 2013 - who is to blame?

I'm a Democrat and this is Obama's fault
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I'm a Democrat and this is the Republican's fault
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I'm a Republican and this is Obama's fault
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I'm a Republican and this is the Republican's fault
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I am neither and this is Obama's fault
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I am neither and this is the Republican's fault
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[POLL] US Government Shutdown 2013

Post by wub » Tue Oct 01, 2013 6:48 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24343698
The US government has begun a partial shutdown after the Republican-led House of Representatives refused to approve a budget for next year.

A midnight deadline passed without agreement despite a last-gasp appeal by President Barack Obama.

More than 700,000 US government workers face unpaid leave with no guarantee of back pay once the deadlock is over.

Republicans have insisted on delaying President Obama's health care reforms as a condition for passing the budget.

It is the US government's first partial shutdown in 17 years.
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Re: US Government Shutdown 2013

Post by SCope13 » Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:00 am

As a radical-leftist, I despise Obama, but the Republicans are definitely responsible for this one as far as I can tell.
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Re: US Government Shutdown 2013

Post by dickman69 » Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:01 am

arent they taking responsibility b/c trying 2 stop obamacare?

also if chaos means ppl making lame jokes on facebook then yes
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Re: US Government Shutdown 2013

Post by Electric_Head » Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:07 am

Couple thousand ppl out of work because the government can't get it's act in order.
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Re: US Government Shutdown 2013

Post by wub » Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:09 am

SCope13 wrote:As a radical-leftist, I despise Obama, but the Republicans are definitely responsible for this one as far as I can tell.
Fault lies with - Republicans
rayman612 wrote:arent they taking responsibility b/c trying 2 stop obamacare?
Fault lies with - Republicans
Electric_Head wrote:Couple thousand ppl out of work because the government can't get it's act in order.
Yay OBAMA!!
Fault lies with - Obama


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Re: [POLL] US Government Shutdown 2013

Post by dickman69 » Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:15 am

Btw the fault lies w both bc obama is trying to push obv flawed healthcare system while reps will not compromise on it
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Re: [POLL] US Government Shutdown 2013

Post by wub » Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:16 am

rayman612 wrote:Btw the fault lies w both bc obama is trying to push obv flawed healthcare system while reps will not compromise on it
How is Obamacare flawed?

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Re: [POLL] US Government Shutdown 2013

Post by SCope13 » Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:17 am

yeah "Obamacare" is a load of right-wing bourgeois bullshit, but the Republicans need to just stop trying to fight this thing. Fucking stupid. Not only that, but it's shit they'd totally support if black communist Obama wasn't pushing it.
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Re: [POLL] US Government Shutdown 2013

Post by wub » Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:21 am

SCope13 wrote:yeah "Obamacare" is a load of right-wing bourgeois bullshit
Universal health care is right wing?
SCope13 wrote:they'd totally support if black communist Obama wasn't pushing it.
Could you clarify on this...the idea of a universal health care bill was discussed with former Republican governments then?

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Re: [POLL] US Government Shutdown 2013

Post by dickman69 » Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:24 am

Companies only have to give benefits to full time workers so theyll all just cut hours & hire more ppl

The result is ppl get less hours -> less money -> no benefits -> forced to buy insurance/face $$$ penalty -> get 2nd job (if lucky) -> make less overall than before but work more

As long as minimum wage stays where it is its flawed

And companies that cut full timers now save $ bc they dont have to pay for health benefits
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Post by SCope13 » Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:25 am

It's in no way universal health care. All its doing is requiring you to buy health insurance, AKA massive blowjob for the insurance industry.

The idea of the individual mandate originated in the Nixon administration. The Heritage Foundation, a very conservative think tank, along with Newt Gingrich, championed the individual mandate during the Clinton years as an alternative to Clinton's proposed health care reform.
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Re: [POLL] US Government Shutdown 2013

Post by Electric_Head » Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:28 am

Obama breaks his promise to children and families for healthcare through the Affordable Care Act (ACA).

The ACA requires employers provide affordable health insurance options to employees, and employees are required to pay up to 9.5 percent of the employee’s income for the supposed affordable care.

While employees will be able to obtain healthcare and pay up to 9.5 percent of the employee’s income for the healthcare, the healthcare does not include family members. The result is many families are ineligible for subsidies and face up to $15,700 in healthcare costs through the exchanges.

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Re: [POLL] US Government Shutdown 2013

Post by wub » Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:34 am

rayman612 wrote:Companies only have to give benefits to full time workers so theyll all just cut hours & hire more ppl

The result is ppl get less hours -> less money -> no benefits -> forced to buy insurance/face $$$ penalty -> get 2nd job (if lucky) -> make less overall than before but work more

As long as minimum wage stays where it is its flawed

And companies that cut full timers now save $ bc they dont have to pay for health benefits

So the issue could be resolved by raising minimum wage?

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Re: [POLL] US Government Shutdown 2013

Post by dickman69 » Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:39 am

Yea but thats a whole another 3 years to get that to happen now

And the penalty for uninsured by 2016 is unreal
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Re: [POLL] US Government Shutdown 2013

Post by wub » Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:44 am

rayman612 wrote:Yea but thats a whole another 3 years to get that to happen now
How so?

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Re: [POLL] US Government Shutdown 2013

Post by dickman69 » Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:50 am

congress...?
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Re: [POLL] US Government Shutdown 2013

Post by m8son666 » Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:51 am

Probably obama's seeing as hes the antichrist an all
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Re: [POLL] US Government Shutdown 2013

Post by wub » Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:52 am

rayman612 wrote:congress...?
Is that the only time a minimum wage increase could be put through then? As opposed to at any other time.

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Re: [POLL] US Government Shutdown 2013

Post by Jap Trungle » Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:53 am

Just reading about the differences between Democrats and Republicans, how can anyone who's not an old religious idiot be a Republican?
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Re: [POLL] US Government Shutdown 2013

Post by dickman69 » Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:55 am

wub wrote:
rayman612 wrote:congress...?
Is that the only time a minimum wage increase could be put through then? As opposed to at any other time.
Yea it would have to be some big concerted effort (like obamacare) i believe
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