[POLL] US Government Shutdown 2013

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US Government Shutdown 2013 - who is to blame?

I'm a Democrat and this is Obama's fault
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I'm a Democrat and this is the Republican's fault
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I'm a Republican and this is Obama's fault
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I'm a Republican and this is the Republican's fault
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I am neither and this is Obama's fault
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I am neither and this is the Republican's fault
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Re: [POLL] US Government Shutdown 2013

Post by ehbes » Wed Oct 02, 2013 1:41 pm

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Re: [POLL] US Government Shutdown 2013

Post by OGLemon » Wed Oct 02, 2013 11:48 pm

I'm a socialist and I think that it's both parties fault. The lack of compromise on both sides is childish. I know who I'm voting for next election.

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Re: [POLL] US Government Shutdown 2013

Post by deadly_habit » Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:22 am

OGLemon wrote:I'm a socialist and I think that it's both parties fault. The lack of compromise on both sides is childish. I know who I'm voting for next election.
Socialists don't vote you doodie head

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Re: [POLL] US Government Shutdown 2013

Post by Crimsonghost » Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:29 am

I'm neither and don't give a shit.
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Re: [POLL] US Government Shutdown 2013

Post by chekov » Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:22 am

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Re: [POLL] US Government Shutdown 2013

Post by OGLemon » Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:55 pm

deadly habit wrote:
OGLemon wrote:I'm a socialist and I think that it's both parties fault. The lack of compromise on both sides is childish. I know who I'm voting for next election.
Socialists don't vote you doodie head
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Re: [POLL] US Government Shutdown 2013

Post by alphacat » Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:10 pm

deadly habit wrote:
OGLemon wrote:I'm a socialist and I think that it's both parties fault. The lack of compromise on both sides is childish. I know who I'm voting for next election.
Socialists don't vote you doodie head
Um... are you basing that off of applied 20th century totalitarian regimes that called themselves socialist, or as an actual refutation of the entire concept of a socialist voting? If the latter, then you're unfortunately wrong.

[url=http://www.marxists.org/archive/cannon/works/1957/socialism.htm]Essay: Socialism & Democracy[/url] wrote:
The authors of the Communist Manifesto linked socialism and democracy together as end and means. The “self-conscious, independent movement of the immense majority, in the interest of the immense majority” cannot be anything else but democratic, if we understand by “democracy” the rule of the people, the majority. The Stalinist claim—that the task of reconstructing society on a socialist basis can be farmed out to a privileged and uncontrolled bureaucracy, while the workers remain without voice or vote in the process—is just as foreign to the thoughts of Marx and Engels, and of all their true disciples, as the reformist idea that socialism can be handed down to the workers by degrees by the capitalists who exploit them.

All such fantastic conceptions were answered in advance by the reiterated statement of Marx and Engels that “the emancipation of the working class is the task of the workers themselves”. That is the language of Marx and Engels—“the task of the workers themselves”. That was just another way of saying—as they said explicitly many times—that the socialist reorganisation of society requires a workers’ revolution. Such a revolution is unthinkable without the active participation of the majority of the working class, which is itself the big majority of the population. Nothing could be more democratic than that.

Moreover, the great teachers did not limit the democratic action of the working class to the overthrow of bourgeois supremacy. They defined democracy as the form of governmental rule in the transition period between capitalism and socialism. It is explicitly stated in the Communist Manifesto—and I wonder how many people have forgotten this in recent years—“The first step”, said the Manifesto, “in the revolution by the working class, is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling class, to win the battle of democracy.”
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Re: [POLL] US Government Shutdown 2013

Post by kay » Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:26 pm

:W:

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Re: [POLL] US Government Shutdown 2013

Post by didi » Thu Oct 03, 2013 9:52 pm

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Re: [POLL] US Government Shutdown 2013

Post by dickman69 » Thu Oct 03, 2013 11:11 pm

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Re: [POLL] US Government Shutdown 2013

Post by ehbes » Thu Oct 03, 2013 11:27 pm

rayman612 wrote:lol why
because he was handed a shit economy and an even more shit congress
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Re: [POLL] US Government Shutdown 2013

Post by SCope13 » Thu Oct 03, 2013 11:46 pm

ehbrums1 wrote:
rayman612 wrote:lol why
because he was handed a shit economy and an even more shit congress
he's still a liberal piece of shit.

OGLemon wrote:
deadly habit wrote:
OGLemon wrote:I'm a socialist and I think that it's both parties fault. The lack of compromise on both sides is childish. I know who I'm voting for next election.
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Re: [POLL] US Government Shutdown 2013

Post by LACE » Sun Oct 06, 2013 2:52 pm

OGLemon wrote:I'm a socialist and I think that it's both parties fault. The lack of compromise on both sides is childish. I know who I'm voting for next election.
you fundamentally misunderstand the issue at hand
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Re: [POLL] US Government Shutdown 2013

Post by didi » Sun Oct 06, 2013 3:24 pm

tell em
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Re: [POLL] US Government Shutdown 2013

Post by LACE » Sun Oct 06, 2013 6:36 pm

LACE wrote:
OGLemon wrote:I'm a socialist and I think that it's both parties fault. The lack of compromise on both sides is childish. I know who I'm voting for next election.
you fundamentally misunderstand the issue at hand
let me get more specific... house republicans are required to submit resolutions to the senate. then the senate votes/requests revisions and sends it back for confirmation. if both sides of the congress agree, its sent to the president for signature into law.

thats what happened with the ACA (affordable care act). it is law..passed by congress..signed by the president..upheld by the supreme court

house republicans who are currently dominated by the tea party faction have tried to use the budget crisis in the US as a forum for gutting the ACA. theyre hiding within the framework of procedures in an attempt to eliminate a law they don't agree with..rather than going through the process that they know they will lose which is (win elections and overturn it with a republican senate and a republican house and a republican in the white house.) this shutdown amounts to extortion. they've fully turned their back on the democratic process here.. and the senate has finally called them out on their bullshit

you don't get to take the moral high ground and blame both parties for subverting the process. its republicans who are hijacking the government
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Re: [POLL] US Government Shutdown 2013

Post by didi » Sun Oct 06, 2013 6:49 pm

:U:
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Re: [POLL] US Government Shutdown 2013

Post by bABGzus » Sun Oct 06, 2013 6:56 pm

LACE wrote:
LACE wrote:
OGLemon wrote:I'm a socialist and I think that it's both parties fault. The lack of compromise on both sides is childish. I know who I'm voting for next election.
you fundamentally misunderstand the issue at hand
let me get more specific... house republicans are required to submit resolutions to the senate. then the senate votes/requests revisions and sends it back for confirmation. if both sides of the congress agree, its sent to the president for signature into law.

thats what happened with the ACA (affordable care act). it is law..passed by congress..signed by the president..upheld by the supreme court

house republicans who are currently dominated by the tea party faction have tried to use the budget crisis in the US as a forum for gutting the ACA. theyre hiding within the framework of procedures in an attempt to eliminate a law they don't agree with..rather than going through the process that they know they will lose which is (win elections and overturn it with a republican senate and a republican house and a republican in the white house.) this shutdown amounts to extortion. they've fully turned their back on the democratic process here.. and the senate has finally called them out on their bullshit

you don't get to take the moral high ground and blame both parties for subverting the process. its republicans who are hijacking the government
Thank you for taking the time to type that out I was too lazy to do so. It blows my mind that people see this as a dispute between two equal disagreeing sides as opposed to the "we don't like the rules so we're going home and taking our ball with us" it really is. I suppose media doesn't help.

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Re: [POLL] US Government Shutdown 2013

Post by nowaysj » Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:53 pm

LACE wrote:let me get more specific... house republicans are required to submit resolutions to the senate. then the senate votes/requests revisions and sends it back for confirmation. if both sides of the congress agree, its sent to the president for signature into law.

thats what happened with the ACA (affordable care act). it is law..passed by congress..signed by the president..upheld by the supreme court

house republicans who are currently dominated by the tea party faction have tried to use the budget crisis in the US as a forum for gutting the ACA. theyre hiding within the framework of procedures in an attempt to eliminate a law they don't agree with..rather than going through the process that they know they will lose which is (win elections and overturn it with a republican senate and a republican house and a republican in the white house.) this shutdown amounts to extortion. they've fully turned their back on the democratic process here.. and the senate has finally called them out on their bullshit

you don't get to take the moral high ground and blame both parties for subverting the process. its republicans who are hijacking the government
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you fundamentally misunderstand the issue at hand
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Re: [POLL] US Government Shutdown 2013

Post by LACE » Sun Oct 06, 2013 8:11 pm

nowaysj..you jumped off a long time ago
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