WW2 trauma...does it persist transgenerationally?

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WW2 trauma...does it persist transgenerationally?

Post by nousd » Sat Dec 28, 2013 1:27 pm

Any ninjas feeling the psychological effects of the enslavement, rape and murder of/by their ancestors?
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Re: WW2 trauma...does it persist transgenerationally?

Post by wub » Sat Dec 28, 2013 1:43 pm

Are we talking directly as a result of their actions, or via past life hypnotic regression?

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Re: WW2 trauma...does it persist transgenerationally?

Post by Laszlo » Sat Dec 28, 2013 1:47 pm

Undoubtedly. The ripples are less and less apparent with each generation, but, as a child of baby boomers, I was strongly affected by the post-war European mind set.

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Re: WW2 trauma...does it persist transgenerationally?

Post by hubb » Sat Dec 28, 2013 1:49 pm

No doubt.
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Re: WW2 trauma...does it persist transgenerationally?

Post by Laszlo » Sat Dec 28, 2013 1:53 pm

In fact, I was straight "fuck Germans!" until 1998 when I saw Saving Private Ryan and realised the horror of it all seen on both sides.

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Re: WW2 trauma...does it persist transgenerationally?

Post by noam » Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:01 pm

people still read into existentialism right?

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Re: WW2 trauma...does it persist transgenerationally?

Post by Laszlo » Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:12 pm

noam wrote:people still read into existentialism right?
I would guess not that many ninjas do, no.

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Re: WW2 trauma...does it persist transgenerationally?

Post by Nihilism » Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:14 pm

noam wrote:people still read into existentialism right?
Aight.

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Re: WW2 trauma...does it persist transgenerationally?

Post by Laszlo » Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:21 pm

:cornlol:

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Re: WW2 trauma...does it persist transgenerationally?

Post by Nihilism » Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:24 pm

Laszlo wrote::cornlol:
You talkin' to me?

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Re: WW2 trauma...does it persist transgenerationally?

Post by m8son666 » Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:26 pm

i have been reading some camus and cioran of late
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Re: WW2 trauma...does it persist transgenerationally?

Post by Laszlo » Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:36 pm

Nihilism wrote:
Laszlo wrote::cornlol:
You talkin' to me?
Yeah, just, you know, just as I said not many ninjas would have looked into Existentialism someone called Nihilism pops up and says they have. Made me chuckle is all..

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Re: WW2 trauma...does it persist transgenerationally?

Post by hubb » Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:39 pm

Existentialism is a pretty, pretty common subject so ofcourse a lot of ninjas have read it. Does read into have another meaning here or what?


It's not just wars either some tragedies have that same effect.
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Re: WW2 trauma...does it persist transgenerationally?

Post by Laszlo » Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:43 pm

No, i'm just assuming a lot of people haven't given some of the attitudes/views of some of the people who post in the hideout.

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Re: WW2 trauma...does it persist transgenerationally?

Post by lovelydivot » Sat Dec 28, 2013 3:10 pm

When I was very young - about 6...

Our house had an old fashioned root cellar....
and I went down there on my own...
and in the dark, cold...roughed up corner was like - a dirt plateau

and on it my dad had discarded a toy model of a space module - rocket + lunar lander thing...
Half ripped out of it's box turned over- there in the cold dark dirt...

and the image seared into my mind...

later that year we went on my first long road trip to Florida...
and we drove out to the Kennedy Space Center...

So - just last year - I read J.G.Ballards entire compendium....
and I swear - his recollection of the alligator infested drive out to the space station...

tripped me the fuck out...the light of the day was just so....scorchingly pale yellow



We are not moving through time as fast as you might think....

Can you hear the boosters blasting off in flame...?

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Re: WW2 trauma...does it persist transgenerationally?

Post by lovelydivot » Sat Dec 28, 2013 3:27 pm

Not so sure about WWII specifically as a trauma
- although I suppose European kids would have more of a - direct impression

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Re: WW2 trauma...does it persist transgenerationally?

Post by hubb » Sat Dec 28, 2013 3:28 pm

No, i'm just assuming a lot of people haven't given some of the attitudes/views of some of the people who post in the hideout.
Definitely and they would hugely benefit. But it's cool.. I balance it out by assuming they have/will.

Having studied this stuff I would still recommend Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy more though. :6:
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Re: WW2 trauma...does it persist transgenerationally?

Post by lovelydivot » Sat Dec 28, 2013 3:35 pm

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Re: WW2 trauma...does it persist transgenerationally?

Post by ch3 » Sat Dec 28, 2013 3:44 pm

We have a whole year of secondary school dedicated purely to the WW2 literature. That's at least 20 books on concentration camps, war fronts, ghettos and Russian gulags. My primary school was named after "Piaśnica's martyrology" (as it happens, sizan have buried hundreds of souls in mass graves in a nearby forest) - every year we would draw cemeteries with soldiers' helmets hanging of the crosses dripping with blood to be exhibited at the school assembly while we would recite war poems.

I don't have a trauma though, although subjected to the above I wouldn't be surprised if some had - I'm pretty sure some actually do. I just had this conversation with my German colleague the other day, we were talking about the need to remember, but to remember for the right reasons. Not to carry over blame and hatred over generations, but to realise how easy it was for the masses to blindly follow the most ridiculous ideas and do horrible things, how easy it is to be brainwashed, to become sheep. I wish people would reflect more on that.
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Re: WW2 trauma...does it persist transgenerationally?

Post by lovelydivot » Sat Dec 28, 2013 4:13 pm

Recently - I watched a documentary on Leni Riefenstahl...

and she said - that although there was a lot of nationalistic pride...
and talk of the people being great and all...

- at the time....that's all it was - to most people - just positive rhetoric...
and most people had no idea what the party was actually doing...

and I want to believe her...
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