jrkhnds wrote:yo Jags, I wasn't trying to weigh up the different wrong-doings of either countries (even though my slight editing of your USA done X and Russia done Y paragraph basically did that; I'm sorry).
okay, i see that. i just thought the way this thread blew up was a bit ridiculous & it seemed like people were foaming at the mouth to call out americans they want to be "ignorant," so I want to reiterate this
point. I was astonished as to how this all of a sudden turned into an "america vs russia smackdown" when it started with a simple question to faultier about if he thought Russia would really do this:
faultier wrote:wonder how much this has to do with preventing russia to re-align and move military equipment right off US waters
jrkhnds wrote:all I'm saying is it shouldn't be hard to understand why anybody would hate the US. because quite frankly, it's an arguably shit country led by horrendous hypocrites, voted for by the american people. that's about it.
this is a fair point, but I still think you're missing the point of my original post. dude, everyone hates the US govt. I hate the US govt. 90% of americans hate the US govt. but with russia, it seems different (again, seems - idk, hence the question). it doesn't seem like it's because of the US govt's actions, it seems closer to a culture war to me. it seems deeper & irrational. they even hated the US before it was cool, gotta give em props for that! that's what i was tryna get at when i said:
DrGatineau wrote:is it just like a nationalistic/pride thing at this point? it just seems that no matter who's in charge, what kind of govt they have, russia just fuckin hates the US.
To me, it doesn't seems like Russia hates the US because of the spying or our wars or any other legit reason. it seems different from why Western Europe or the Middle East or the American people hate the US govt. it seems like Russia just intrinsically hates the US, because that hatred existed under different govts and throughout different eras & cultures. when Russia was "liberal", they hated the US; now Russia is pretty conservative, you'd think that would make them more sympathetic to the US, but no, they still hate the US. Under Stalin, they hated the US, and now under Putin, they still hate the US. People have pointed out that the American media has used Russia as a boogeyman - maybe Russia uses America as a boogeyman?
That's what i was trying to get at. Since i have very little access to what Russian people actually believe or what their culture is really like, that's why I was asking here. Sure, I can look up stats & facts on the internet or learn history in school, but that's very different from understanding the actual values & attitudes of the Russian people.
jrkhnds wrote:and if Cuba's economy is fucked, it's because the US wanted it to be fucked.
But i thought Cuba's economy was doing great? I mean which one is it lol
also, that one sentence perfectly encapsules my subjective image
of The American:
DrGatineau wrote:if cuba became an ally of the US, that would not in itself be a bad thing for Cuba.
why think in foes and allies? think in equal, sovereign states with their own interests. maybe it's because I live in a neutral country, but that sort of talk really gets on my nerves.
what's wrong with allies? i think my concept of an ally is different from yours. you seem to think allies are only for the purpose of wars, probably due to WWII history and the Allied Powers & Axis Powers and Switzerland's neutrality and all that. I get that. But allies means a different thing to me. The US is allies with all sorts of countries that have mutual interests (it's not always
US exploitation, let's be realistic) - all of NATO, Egypt, Pakistan, Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand, Thailand, and many more - are all allies with the US. not for purposes of war. Ally & foe are not opposites imo. There are many other reasons to be allies besides forming wartime pacts.