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Re: The Problem with Time

Post by topmo3 » Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:39 pm

soronery wrote:
topmo3 wrote:what do u sell

I'm asking cuz I'm interested in working from home
telecoms to blue chip companies

if you really want to work from home, get some decent tech accreditation and go freelance.
chers 4 da tip bruh

now proceed to explain "telecom" "blue chip company" and clarify what u mean by tech accreditation? just like software engineer or smth or wut
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Re: The Problem with Time

Post by soronery » Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:41 pm

topmo3 wrote:now proceed to explain "telecom" "blue chip company" and clarify what u mean by tech accreditation? just like software engineer or smth or wut
You're probably better off Googling those tbh
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Re: The Problem with Time

Post by bonk » Sun Apr 19, 2015 10:50 pm

In my opinion, economists should exploit the problem of time to develop a quantum of scarcity. As far as known forms of life are concerned, it's the only absolute limitation, the only thing that could be thought of as wasted, the one thing that lacks in a universe that tends towards abundance.
We eat food, drink water, and breathe air in the hope that we can extend our time.

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I imagine that OP's proposed view of time is the one that animals have and that as a whole humans used to have. I also think it's the perspective uneducated babies have and they can be as greedy and spiteful as they like with no notion of inhibition. Observing the limit of time has been pretty good for us imo.

That being said, I don't know for sure that animals don't know they're gonna die someday.

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Re: The Problem with Time

Post by Jizz » Sun Apr 26, 2015 2:53 am

Could we bring back that childlike attitude in an adult, a realization of the futility of endlessly trying to gain power through knowledge?

I think we can assume that knowledge is a synonym for time

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Re: The Problem with Time

Post by lovelydivot » Sun Apr 26, 2015 3:11 am

The problem I have - Is the stuff I'm working on….
Gives not a shit about time…

When you are curing resins - They will take as ever fucking long as they want…
and if it's humid - they will take even longer….

Then add complexity to the design….
now your waiting through multiple curing sessions….

I can't charge enough in the end…
to warrant the luxury required to make it.

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Re: The Problem with Time

Post by lovelydivot » Sun Apr 26, 2015 3:19 am

You know a lapidary artists….a stone cutter

They have to look at the current market price of a specific raw gem material…finished
to decide if it's even worth their time to cut it or not.

Because it takes for freaking ever to cut and polish stones artfully…
- irregardless as to if the public perceives it as valuable.

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Re: The Problem with Time

Post by Jizz » Sun Apr 26, 2015 3:27 am

That is true regard for time :D

If time is knowledge, it is also money. And we're trying to remove time. So resins are the same value in money, if its a week or a year to dry. i'll admit, that isnt viable, at all. Charge em... double, i guess

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Re: The Problem with Time

Post by lovelydivot » Sun Apr 26, 2015 4:51 am

"They" say that in more "primitive" cultures,
cultures where you have less emphasis on time,
you get better, more interesting, and more skillfully made crafts/artwork….
specifically because - of the lack of pressure from time.

People approach making differently, when time is not of the essence….

I also read somewhere that they did an experiment with children…
Where they told one group to make drawings for a group show…
and the other group that the drawings were for a competition...

The artwork from the competition group was markedly less creative…
because they were trying to impress by appealing…
instead of just being creative within their own personal expressions.

"They" are my teachers from college by the way
- History of Jewelry Design & Form+Inspiration.

Middle class wealth also has an overwhelming effect on art forms.
both positive and negative.

homogenization & cheapening

while simultaneously driving innovation at the fringes…
with 2 mechanisms - economic stability and the desire to be trend setter

If you are worried about selling, you are not going to be fucking around with some weird shit.

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Re: The Problem with Time

Post by Jizz » Sun Apr 26, 2015 4:21 pm

yeah the biggest block to the whole thing is that survival is based on economics, which is unfortunately Time

are fruits borne entirely out of Time? or is it just the forbidden kind

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Re: The Problem with Time

Post by lovelydivot » Sun Apr 26, 2015 5:07 pm

I don't think anything is born of time…

Time is a measuring parameter that functions by setting limits…


Things happen in time - in the same way a person moves through a building…
But what happens at certain points in time are not connected to it beyond a mark.

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Re: The Problem with Time

Post by Harkat » Sun Apr 26, 2015 5:13 pm

im glad that bm is back on here -t-
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Re: The Problem with Time

Post by hubb » Sun Apr 26, 2015 5:15 pm

Baudrillard has some good thinking relating to this if you want a read rec.

Like how the pocket watch freaked everyone out and lead to everybody getting calendars and more stress/pressure. Everything was put into schedule suddenly.
Stuff like public transportation, when to go to work etc.

btw
Churches ringing their big bloody bell balls in the late afternoon was not some church marketing awareness ting (like I thought) but actually the church being conscious and notifying farm workers and such of what time it was (time to stop working) and not letting the evil overlords take too much advange. As opposed to just using sun down.
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Re: The Problem with Time

Post by Jizz » Sun Apr 26, 2015 5:22 pm

:corndance:

so it is possible to live outside time

i look at the clock, it tells me it is time for the doctor's appointment... but it has nothing to do with what the doctor is going to say. so i shouldn't be so anxious about getting there on time


baudrillard's a good shout, been meaning to read

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Re: The Problem with Time

Post by hubb » Sun Apr 26, 2015 5:24 pm

In function, fruits are flowers that turned slutty-er

which in itself pre-empts that bit in the bible with eve and the apple !!!!!!!!


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Re: The Problem with Time

Post by hubb » Sun Apr 26, 2015 5:27 pm

Jizz wrote::corndance:
so it is possible to live outside time
I have to believe that means it was, but I can't comprehend it.

I think you're still spot on in this thread. It's just the fact that it came about - bit, that is so weird.

It's not even second nature now but ahead of that

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Re: The Problem with Time

Post by Jizz » Sun Apr 26, 2015 5:45 pm

maybe the came about thing is happening because I'm looking at bringing back a childlike state. thats the wrong way to go about it, cos that is obviously memory, ie time

is it that we take time as a discovery, as opposed to an invention? when we see it as a discovery that initiated recording of it, then we can only say that it was possible to live outside time, before we began to measure it

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Re: The Problem with Time

Post by lovelydivot » Sun Apr 26, 2015 6:01 pm

fruits are tree clots...

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Re: The Problem with Time

Post by hubb » Sun Apr 26, 2015 9:01 pm

Jizz wrote:maybe the came about thing is happening because I'm looking at bringing back a childlike state. thats the wrong way to go about it, cos that is obviously memory, ie time

is it that we take time as a discovery, as opposed to an invention? when we see it as a discovery that initiated recording of it, then we can only say that it was possible to live outside time, before we began to measure it
i like that, anywho
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Re: The Problem with Time

Post by Jizz » Mon Apr 27, 2015 8:17 pm

lovelydivot wrote:fruits are tree clots...
:corntard: that does put a new perspective

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Re: The Problem with Time

Post by nousd » Fri May 01, 2015 12:16 am

Jizz wrote:Could we bring back that childlike attitude in an adult, a realization of the futility of endlessly trying to gain power through knowledge?
I think we can assume that knowledge is a synonym for time
as in: "It's knowledge you got out of bed and go get a job young man"?
doesn't quite work
altho I think I understand what you're saying...

that time, as a perceptual model of events being sequential,
tends to stultify our immediate experience of what's happening
by becoming a rigid filing system for acquired knowledge

is that right?

certainly my experience of life as a small child was less ordered
with some periods between waking and sleeping
feeling like eternal boredom
and pleasurable events like random illuminations

if I was to recapture anything from childhood
it would be that lack of a self-imposed schedule,
the freedom to examine whatever unfurled
without expectation of it coming nor going.
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