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layering

Post by le_knigh » Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:33 pm

i would like to know the basses of layerin , am gettin bored of the same ol sounds in reason and allways here about layerin..does ne1 know ne good site that i could read up about the science of it all ??...

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Re: layering

Post by Basic A » Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:36 pm

IDK what science you wanna know...

You lay more then one sound on top of each other, eq em a bit n then put em through the same compressor n resample... Its all ears man, cant teach you much, just judge sounds by like 'The clicky part of this snare + the bass of this gunshot + the mid of this ride...'
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Re: layering

Post by Astral » Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:38 pm

Generally it's used to give a more full sound.

For example, take a lowend kick and a kick with a bit of snap, cut appropriately and layer, Bam, better sounding kick.

Similar things with snares, take a snare with a bit of attack, and another with a nice snap, cut and eq again, layer up etc.

Can be used for almost anything, just make sure your giving everything room to breathe.
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Re: layering

Post by BLAHBLAHJAH » Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:42 pm

If you're after some ideas to get you started, try the simplest form of duplicating a track, then having each copy of the track set to different frequencies etc... Listen and learn the principles of how notes combine and generate a new harmonic tone between them etc. That's a good way to get into the science of it allll

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Re: layering

Post by le_knigh » Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:06 pm

there lies my problem..eq'n , compressin, cuttin , heres the sience i dont understand...especially with synths...

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Re: layering

Post by BLAHBLAHJAH » Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:20 pm

Definately avoid textbooking things then... It's a fast way to end up with a hoarde of unappliable knowledge in my experience. You're aware of where the problems lie, so the best advice is to get stuck in and toy about with the settings you spoke of. Approach the situation with whatever basic knowledge you have, then tool it out from there, not with the intention of making it sound good, because it can lead to frustrating dreams... Better advice is to practice layering with the aim of it not sounding shit (in terms such as too muddy, clipping etc...).
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Re: layering

Post by b166er » Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:30 pm

The Youtubes have great tutorials with reason about how to layer sounds like bass. I find it hard to get tired of the "sounds in Reason" as Reasons synths cover suchs a wide pallette of sound, youd have to be a making music for a few thousand years to cover them!
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Re: layering

Post by le_knigh » Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:12 am

breath of fresh air boys..alot of people have spoke to has allways sed that u should learn its sciences to almost hold a understandin on wot u are doin...most times i have tried to layer with 2 octaves (if that is the correct way of sayin it ) n really have not understood completly where im goin ..i.e. would start with a square octave for instance create a simple sound which was kind of thick then try n layer with a second square but neva seemed to find anything decent ..which then has inevitably caused frustration, it seems like sum sounds come with luk but im foreva askin does any actually know wot they are goin to make or how to direct the sound..very interestin stuff, with a hunger to know "!!!

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Post by Basic A » Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:15 am

troopa wrote:breath of fresh air boys..alot of people have spoke to has allways sed that u should learn its sciences to almost hold a understandin on wot u are doin...most times i have tried to layer with 2 octaves (if that is the correct way of sayin it ) n really have not understood completly where im goin ..i.e. would start with a square octave for instance create a simple sound which was kind of thick then try n layer with a second square but neva seemed to find anything decent ..which then has inevitably caused frustration, it seems like sum sounds come with luk but im foreva askin does any actually know wot they are goin to make or how to direct the sound..very interestin stuff, with a hunger to know "!!!
Watch doing octave layering with sine subs, youll get phasing on some synths.
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Re: layering

Post by le_knigh » Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:03 am

2nd tune sounds promisin dude...2 sine subs he says hey...im intrigued ..u just had to rub it in some more init lol..my homework is needed on this doubleing up stuff standard..are alll amazin basslines created from layerin do u fink then >??

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Re: layering

Post by Astral » Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:28 am

troopa wrote:breath of fresh air boys..alot of people have spoke to has allways sed that u should learn its sciences to almost hold a understandin on wot u are doin...most times i have tried to layer with 2 octaves (if that is the correct way of sayin it ) n really have not understood completly where im goin ..i.e. would start with a square octave for instance create a simple sound which was kind of thick then try n layer with a second square but neva seemed to find anything decent ..which then has inevitably caused frustration, it seems like sum sounds come with luk but im foreva askin does any actually know wot they are goin to make or how to direct the sound..very interestin stuff, with a hunger to know "!!!
When you say octave, do you mean oscillators?
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Re: layering

Post by deadly_habit » Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:31 am

Astral wrote:
troopa wrote:breath of fresh air boys..alot of people have spoke to has allways sed that u should learn its sciences to almost hold a understandin on wot u are doin...most times i have tried to layer with 2 octaves (if that is the correct way of sayin it ) n really have not understood completly where im goin ..i.e. would start with a square octave for instance create a simple sound which was kind of thick then try n layer with a second square but neva seemed to find anything decent ..which then has inevitably caused frustration, it seems like sum sounds come with luk but im foreva askin does any actually know wot they are goin to make or how to direct the sound..very interestin stuff, with a hunger to know "!!!
When you say octave, do you mean oscillators?
heh sounds like it to me.

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Post by Basic A » Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:42 am

troopa wrote:2nd tune sounds promisin dude...2 sine subs he says hey...im intrigued ..u just had to rub it in some more init lol..my homework is needed on this doubleing up stuff standard..are alll amazin basslines created from layerin do u fink then >??
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Re: layering

Post by nowaysj » Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:12 pm

Basic A wrote:youll get phasing on some synths.
which can be a nice effect.
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Post by Basic A » Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:17 pm

nowaysj wrote:
Basic A wrote:youll get phasing on some synths.
which can be a nice effect.
unless its on your subs... then it can be a nice way to get the shit kicked outta you by an M.E. or press op, haha.
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Re: layering

Post by nowaysj » Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:07 am

You can do it to your subs, don't trip.
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Re: layering

Post by Basic A » Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:09 am

nowaysj wrote:You can do it to your subs, don't trip.
IDK, phase and sub pan are known too have too be pretty heavily treated from what I understand before they can be thrown too wax or w/e... I guess depending on the tunes destiny, it can be fun, but, theres some serious horror stories and words of woe about cuttin that kinda stuff...

N in theory, I produce everything as to the technical standard of vinyl, least try too, even if that not what im releasin on...
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Re: layering

Post by nowaysj » Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:03 am

More than likely is the case with vinyl. I don't know, I don't release on any medium, so what the fuck do I know, but I've heard and made some interesting sub sounds using phase cancellation.
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