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Post by westernsynthetics » Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:05 am

I have been making alot of choons around 120 lately (click my Myspaz link below to hear), im finding that it works really well for Dubstep. I also dont think that Dubstep should conform to a designated BPM. If this narrow mindedness in terms of BPM was to prevail, we would see the sound eventually stagnate. Look at the DNB experience.

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Post by westernsynthetics » Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:08 am

Further to this, I use Reason with Pro Tools and with Tools I can change up the Temo mid song. This Is a really cool thing to experiment with.

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Post by sick rebel » Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:54 pm

westernsynthetics wrote:with Tools I can change up the Temo mid song. This Is a really cool thing to experiment with.
including audio? sounds sick, this really pisses me off about logic cos once you get your breaks in, your tempo is stuck pretty much. what's the quality of the timestretch like?

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Post by decklyn » Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:00 pm

Sick Rebel wrote:
westernsynthetics wrote:with Tools I can change up the Temo mid song. This Is a really cool thing to experiment with.
including audio? sounds sick, this really pisses me off about logic cos once you get your breaks in, your tempo is stuck pretty much. what's the quality of the timestretch like?
I find that at 120 there is the ability to add a certain deep swing to a tune that doesn't work at 140. I definately appreciate both, but there needs to be some way to communicate or differentiate for the DJs sake, cause a tune @ 120 bpm will not necesarily sound right if transposed to 140.

I come from dnb, yeah, but the reason that I think it's important to not deviate too far from some sort of standard or norm of speed is so that our stuff remains playable for DJs. As a DJ, anyways, i feel this is important. That being said, alterations in speed and style will undoubtedly lead to different subgenres and streams of the general sound and feel developing. (ie intelligent DnB)
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Post by marty » Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:09 am

we've done almost all our tunes between 140-145. i think we'll do some between 132-135 in the near future because my mate's into minimal house and so it's easier to combine that mixwise.

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Post by thinking » Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:37 am

westernsynthetics wrote:I also dont think that Dubstep should conform to a designated BPM. If this narrow mindedness in terms of BPM was to prevail, we would see the sound eventually stagnate.
funny, Kode 9 would say exactly the opposite. When he talks about 'Hyperdub' as a sound, it's the tempo which unifies the music and therefore offers so many options (or mutations, he might say), be it breakbeat, garage, house, techno, dubstep.....


personally I see the speed already creeping up as happens with every type of dance music - as a result I'm trying to stem the flow by always playing at around -1 or 0. When I write beats (which ain't that often) I stick to aroun 135ish.
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Post by oceanzen » Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:57 am

Usually 140 for me but I've only just started making dubstep before when i was making Electronica/IDM/Glitch Hop it was anything from 80 90 150 170 to 200
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Post by ekstrak » Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:57 pm

I *know* that for DJ's to construct a cohesive set then it helps for people to make tracks all at roughly the same speed but would you please consider for a moment other music such as soul, reggae, dancehall, rock, hiphop, dub even .. these all have good variation in tempo and this is very healthy thing in my oppinion. Lets not let 'being nice to DJs' interfere with our creativity. It requires both parties (DJs & Producers) complying but its surely worth it ?

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Post by Sub Shifter » Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:08 pm

ekstrak wrote:I *know* that for DJ's to construct a cohesive set then it helps for people to make tracks all at roughly the same speed but would you please consider for a moment other music such as soul, reggae, dancehall, rock, hiphop, dub even .. these all have good variation in tempo and this is very healthy thing in my oppinion. Lets not let 'being nice to DJs' interfere with our creativity. It requires both parties (DJs & Producers) complying but its surely worth it ?
exactley :wink:

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Post by decklyn » Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:30 pm

blaze wrote:
ekstrak wrote:I *know* that for DJ's to construct a cohesive set then it helps for people to make tracks all at roughly the same speed but would you please consider for a moment other music such as soul, reggae, dancehall, rock, hiphop, dub even .. these all have good variation in tempo and this is very healthy thing in my oppinion. Lets not let 'being nice to DJs' interfere with our creativity. It requires both parties (DJs & Producers) complying but its surely worth it ?
exactley :wink:
You're missing one thing here tho.

Those other genres are not primarily distributed through mixes.
Hip hop maybe being an exception, but when people drop hip-hop mixes, they are dropping mixes of tracks that lie in roughly the same bpm area. I think as time goes on, Hip hop is migrating toward a modern speed so that it is accessible to DJs.

It's possible to mix in the breakdowns etc in songs that aren't close in BPM, but tracks start to loose thier groove if they're pitched up or down too much.

I can respect both sides of this argument, as I am both a producer and a DJ

As I DJ, I want a bit of form, so that I can more easily show your works in sets.

As a producer I want freedom of expression, so that I can experiment in different ways.

It will be very interesting to watch the progression of dubstep.
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Post by shokman » Sat Mar 31, 2007 8:46 am

120-140.
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Post by jahtao » Sat Mar 31, 2007 6:01 pm

attack speed

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Post by selector.dub.u » Sat Mar 31, 2007 11:08 pm

135- 145
67- 92
112- 120

as a dj i tend to pitch down -1 when i dj dubstep in particular.
i lke to flit between genres.
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Post by tekblazer » Sun Apr 01, 2007 7:27 am

selector.dub.u wrote:135- 145
67- 92
112- 120

as a dj i tend to pitch down -1 when i dj dubstep in particular.
i lke to flit between genres.

i think this is a producer thread.

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Post by selector.dub.u » Sun Apr 01, 2007 2:06 pm

tekblazer wrote:
selector.dub.u wrote:135- 145
67- 92
112- 120

as a dj i tend to pitch down -1 when i dj dubstep in particular.
i lke to flit between genres.

i think this is a producer thread.


yeah - and i make beats at those speeds.
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Post by fubar » Sun Apr 01, 2007 2:22 pm

282.40 bpm standard

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Post by decklyn » Mon Apr 02, 2007 2:14 am

fubar wrote:282.40 bpm standard
AKA 141? I guess greater resolution in some environments?
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Post by westernsynthetics » Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:30 am

ekstrak wrote:I *know* that for DJ's to construct a cohesive set then it helps for people to make tracks all at roughly the same speed but would you please consider for a moment other music such as soul, reggae, dancehall, rock, hiphop, dub even .. these all have good variation in tempo and this is very healthy thing in my oppinion. Lets not let 'being nice to DJs' interfere with our creativity. It requires both parties (DJs & Producers) complying but its surely worth it ?
Exactly, why should producers conform to what DJ's want??? If this idea prevails we will end up with a scene run by conservative elitist DJ's who dictate the terms of what Dubstep should be. The very thing that attracted me to Dubstep in the first place was its progressive open-mindedness in relation to the sound itself. A collectively conformist attitude to BPM & a "Do's & Dont’s" rule of thumb in Dubstep will send the scene and the sound into apathy.

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Post by westernsynthetics » Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:34 am

For the record, I also DJ Dubstep. I enjoy playing around with diff BPM's on the dancefloor. If its all the same the choons melt into one another and it can become boring. Not always though there are many variables.

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Post by de-cho » Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:07 pm

120-122 7/8 odd shit + a lot uf ethno shit from my region that sits well in odd sig

133-138 4/4 more breakish style shit
141-143 7/8 more delayzzzzz
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