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Re: sub never sounds fat or warm enough

Post by wayfarer__ » Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:25 am

lol yeah everyones getting caught up on the whole side-chain controversy.
i guess what i was after was advice on what peoples actually processes of making their subs are (what they have on the inserts, what they think is necessary and what is not), comparing it to my own and seeing if there is anything that i could benefit from. i know that sounds cheap but its more of an aspirational thing, there are lots of banging producers i look up to on here, if i can get one of their pence on the matter then it would no doubt help.

respect for the input so far though guys. big up

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Re: sub never sounds fat or warm enough

Post by Depone » Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:51 pm

Listening to the tune, id say its very well constructed, but the subs volume could come up. I think this is because its a very deep bass. Without looking at a visualiser i'd say its nocking between 28-35hz have you tried altering the key of the whole track up a few tones? It sounds like its long winded, but I twill help the bass to reveal itself more. If not then I would add more distortion and let it ring through more without the low pass filtering.

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Re: sub never sounds fat or warm enough

Post by wayfarer__ » Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:23 pm

Thanks Depone - Its an E note, which is 1 or 2 notes lower than my usual efforts actually. My analyser says its hitting about about 43 hz.

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Re: sub never sounds fat or warm enough

Post by Anne Droid » Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:02 pm

Sonika wrote:It still creates a slightly pumping feel
for me i usally just play with the threshold, ratio and attack settings to make sure its ducking properly and not pumping

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Re: sub never sounds fat or warm enough

Post by didi » Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:43 pm

You want it to be tight. A big sub is often narrow on the frequency spectrum. Mix it well/turn it up to get it loud, but to lose flabbiness and gain tightness, don't have the sub flayed out across the frequency spectruum
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Re: sub never sounds fat or warm enough

Post by Electric_Head » Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:50 pm

I took a listen on Beyerdynamic DT 990, it`s there but very soft.
I`d listen to Depone.
Turn up the volume of the bass or pitch the note up.
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Re: sub never sounds fat or warm enough

Post by Genevieve » Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:50 pm

Yep the note is a bit too low and maybe quiet. I'd go as low as about 35/40 hz tbh.

Also, if you're using a sinewave;

DON'T. DO. ANYTHING WITH IT. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, KEEP THE SIGNAL ENTIRELY CLEAN

EQ'ing or filtering a sinewave is 100% pointless since it's only the fundamental, you'd only be causing volume issues if you did. If you distort a sine you can EQ all you want ('cause it's no longer a sine anyway) AFTER distorting it, but that's it. >.>

A pure, unprocessed sinewave is the tightest sub you can ask for. And you'll make it rumble and sit well in the mix by getting rid of all the sub from every other channel.
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Re: sub never sounds fat or warm enough

Post by 123kidd » Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:34 pm

Not sure if it has been mentioned but try some saturation

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Re: sub never sounds fat or warm enough

Post by e-motion » Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:06 pm

I also use sidechaining on the sub. Play arround with the settings, you can make it not pump at all with low gain reduction and very low release. Oh, make sure you use a compressor with a knee setting since it can have a pretty great effect if tweaked well.

And I like some VERY LITTLE pumping on my sub ;)

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Re: sub never sounds fat or warm enough

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Re: sub never sounds fat or warm enough

Post by MassAphekt » Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:38 am

@Sonika
Shorten the attack and release for a less pumping feel and you also don't have to have the threshold so low nor the ratio so high to achieve cleanliness in your low range mix (talking about sidechaining your sub to your kick, that is if they take up the same frequencies frequently
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Re: sub never sounds fat or warm enough

Post by travis_baker » Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:42 am

MassAphekt wrote:@Sonika
Shorten the attack and release for a less pumping feel and you also don't have to have the threshold so low nor the ratio so high to achieve cleanliness in your low range mix (talking about sidechaining your sub to your kick, that is if they take up the same frequencies frequently
i really don't agree whith sidechaining just mix it properly and you wont have to, you cant have everything big. listen to the tracks from black out by 2562 and drop a freq anyliser on it, hes a freak.

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Re: sub never sounds fat or warm enough

Post by illtabulous » Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:04 pm

well low passing a sine wave would just be changing the volume of the sine wave since its only one frequency. Using a lowpass filter is just a silly way of turning down the volume.
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Re: sub never sounds fat or warm enough

Post by wayfarer__ » Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:19 am

illtabulous wrote:well low passing a sine wave would just be changing the volume of the sine wave since its only one frequency. Using a lowpass filter is just a silly way of turning down the volume.

out of massive even when its pure sine and no inserts it sounds like a loose arsehole unless i low pass it to like 100 hz. :S

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