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Snare fills or 'drags'

Post by immortal » Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:03 pm

Im looking to achieve something i can do on the drums but cannot achieve 'drawing' it into ableton

Im trying too create what i can only describe as a snare drag - its not quite a snare roll,more of a scrape of the stick across the drum just before the start of a bar or a fill

Anyone got any ideas on how too recreate this - far short of using a drum fill sample?
Im also aware that this is a bit of an age-old question.....

Ive been playing around with lengths,velocity,pitch and slight off timing but dont seem too get the natural effect im looking for.

Any help/insights on this would be awesome :W:

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Re: Snare fills or 'drags'

Post by Skrew » Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:07 pm

Record yourself dragging the stick across the snare?
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Re: Snare fills or 'drags'

Post by dubesteppe » Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:05 am

maybe if you gave us an example we could better understand
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Re: Snare fills or 'drags'

Post by bassbum » Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:14 am

I dont see how I can tell you to program something without audio.

Fined it in a song and embed a youtube link.

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Post by jrisreal » Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:17 am

Skrew wrote:Record yourself dragging the stick across the snare?
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Re: Snare fills or 'drags'

Post by dickman69 » Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:21 am

y no just sample
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Re: Snare fills or 'drags'

Post by kejk » Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:00 am

I usually sample some shitty marching band snare practice videos off YouTube.
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Re: Snare fills or 'drags'

Post by Attila » Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:57 am

If you find a way to do it without sampling, let me know. Getting the intricacies of those little ghost rolls from one shots would be near impossible.

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Re: Snare fills or 'drags'

Post by Swelly » Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:59 am

i think it's called a flam.

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Re: Snare fills or 'drags'

Post by Attila » Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:12 am

Nah a flam is one hit barely behind another. That's about as good as I can put it into words haha. Like ba-da except closer so it's like

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Re: Snare fills or 'drags'

Post by Swelly » Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:15 am

mah bad.

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Re: Snare fills or 'drags'

Post by Swelly » Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:17 am

actually, maybe you could try making various snare rolls and reverse reverb it...and use only the reverse reverb signal to get something close. just a thought, not an actual method i've tried out.

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Re: Snare fills or 'drags'

Post by Hircine » Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:21 am

a quick hi passed beat delay could work, maybe hi passing a lower velocity sample and time stretching it. ideal solution, of course, would be recording it.

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Re: Snare fills or 'drags'

Post by Efrafa11 » Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:56 am

Attila wrote:Nah a flam is one hit barely behind another. That's about as good as I can put it into words haha. Like ba-da except closer so it's like

ba
-da
I'm not to up on drum terminology but this dude thinks there similiar? :lol:
Might help?



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Re: Snare fills or 'drags'

Post by Sharmaji » Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:56 pm

Use stuff at low velocity- vitalic, squarepusher, and Venetian snares all do drags and ruffs w that...
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Re: Snare fills or 'drags'

Post by Attila » Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:06 pm

Efrafa11 wrote:
Attila wrote:Nah a flam is one hit barely behind another. That's about as good as I can put it into words haha. Like ba-da except closer so it's like

ba
-da
I'm not to up on drum terminology but this dude thinks there similiar? :lol:
Might help?



otherwise, snare brushes come to mind.
Cheers for the video, haven't brushed up on my drum technique recently haha. I guess the main thing I was trying to get across is that a flam is two hits and drag is three or more industinguished hits (in practical terms). Like right before the drums come in on meanwhile by Koan. I usually do mine one handed too which kinda threw off my description.

Haha Jesus, explaining drum technique through words is a pain in le ass.

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Re: Snare fills or 'drags'

Post by Hircine » Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:58 pm

koan sounds uses triplets ghost snare hits inbetween 8th note hi hats in some songs, like HxxH+KICK
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Re: Snare fills or 'drags'

Post by immortal » Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:39 pm

Cheers for all the responses guys - its maintained my attitude towards this section of the forum - f*^ckin helpful!!!!
Sharmaji wrote:Use stuff at low velocity- vitalic, squarepusher, and Venetian snares all do drags and ruffs w that...
Velocity is key - its the spacing etc that im finding a bitch
Attila wrote:If you find a way to do it without sampling, let me know. Getting the intricacies of those little ghost rolls from one shots would be near impossible.
rayman612 wrote:y no just sample
Because its something ive wanted too incorporate into my productions for a while and would rather learn how than use a sample
Skrew wrote:Record yourself dragging the stick across the snare?
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Best example i can think of is here



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Re: Snare fills or 'drags'

Post by Kit Fysto » Sat Aug 04, 2012 5:16 pm

From what I can tell a lot of that sound comes from the snare chain gently rattling against the bottom head so maybe keep that in mind. I can imagine that slightly ambient super low velocity snare hits could achieve this. Multiple samples of low velocity hits of the same drum would be needed I'm thinking
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Re: Snare fills or 'drags'

Post by Augment » Sat Aug 04, 2012 5:33 pm

Hircine wrote:koan sounds uses triplets ghost snare hits inbetween 8th note hi hats in some songs, like HxxH+KICK
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