3rd party compressors for sidechaining? (logic)

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3rd party compressors for sidechaining? (logic)

Post by WhyteNight » Wed Dec 26, 2012 9:42 pm

Does anybody have any good suggestions for 3rd party compressors with with a relatively fast release that allows for a deep but rather short ducking pocket?

I work in logic and have slowly learned that one of essential elements of punchy drums is making sure everything else is well out of the way first. But with logic's stock compressors I can't seem to come up with a pocket that I like even after tinkering with the threshhold, attack, release, and going through all the types for hours on end. Cheers!

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Re: 3rd party compressors for sidechaining? (logic)

Post by lloydy » Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:03 pm

Have you played around with the compressors type settings?Vca and opto are very good for ducking.
Setting the threshold and release correctly in the logics compressor is more than capable of a creating short ducking bursts.
Eqing out notches around where the drums punch will also help make them sound punchier as well.
If your looking for a decent 3rd party compressor than fabfilte pro c has sidechaining capabilities and is also pretty handy for ducking.
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Re: 3rd party compressors for sidechaining? (logic)

Post by VirtualMark » Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:08 pm

+1 for Fabfilter Pro-C, i love their plugins. Also, remember you don't have to use the same drum sample to use as a sidechain source - you could use a shorter punchier sample and route it's output to the sidechain so it's silent but still controlling the compressor.

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Re: 3rd party compressors for sidechaining? (logic)

Post by lloydy » Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:12 pm

VirtualMark wrote:+1 for Fabfilter Pro-C, i love their plugins.
Yeah i bought the bundle few months back,volcano and timeless just make filtering and delay such wonderful tools to work with. :W:
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Re: 3rd party compressors for sidechaining? (logic)

Post by WhyteNight » Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:22 pm

lloydy wrote:Have you played around with the compressors type settings?Vca and opto are very good for ducking.
Setting the threshold and release correctly in the logics compressor is more than capable of a creating short ducking bursts.
Eqing out notches around where the drums punch will also help make them sound punchier as well.
If your looking for a decent 3rd party compressor than fabfilte pro c has sidechaining capabilities and is also pretty handy for ducking.
Yeah I did notice that opto in particular ducked well, but for whatever reasons when I raise the ratio and bring down the threshold to achieve the ducking I want, the sounds that are ducking become oddly distorted. But thanks for the tips! I'll check them out.

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Re: 3rd party compressors for sidechaining? (logic)

Post by OfficialDAPT » Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:35 pm

WhyteNight wrote:
lloydy wrote:Have you played around with the compressors type settings?Vca and opto are very good for ducking.
Setting the threshold and release correctly in the logics compressor is more than capable of a creating short ducking bursts.
Eqing out notches around where the drums punch will also help make them sound punchier as well.
If your looking for a decent 3rd party compressor than fabfilte pro c has sidechaining capabilities and is also pretty handy for ducking.
Yeah I did notice that opto in particular ducked well, but for whatever reasons when I raise the ratio and bring down the threshold to achieve the ducking I want, the sounds that are ducking become oddly distorted. But thanks for the tips! I'll check them out.
Is there a lookahead option? If so you should change it the the most milliseconds possible to reduce distortion. More CPU usage though.
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Re: 3rd party compressors for sidechaining? (logic)

Post by +3 » Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:14 pm

VirtualMark wrote:+1 for Fabfilter Pro-C, i love their plugins.

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Re: 3rd party compressors for sidechaining? (logic)

Post by OfficialDAPT » Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:24 pm

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VirtualMark wrote:+1 for Fabfilter Pro-C, i love their plugins.
Or should I say +3 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: 3rd party compressors for sidechaining? (logic)

Post by Aphile » Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:18 pm

I preach fabfilter.

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Re: 3rd party compressors for sidechaining? (logic)

Post by +3 » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:39 am

Fabfilter is basically the answer to every production question ever asked.

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Re: 3rd party compressors for sidechaining? (logic)

Post by WhyteNight » Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:23 am

i will definitely look into fabfilter. what are everybody's thoughts on automating to sidechain?

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Re: 3rd party compressors for sidechaining? (logic)

Post by Turnipish_Thoughts » Mon Dec 31, 2012 4:36 am

Red Phat by JB Plugins is a really decent option. It's recently become free

Go here click JB Plugins and download the bundle, it's damn worth it, Red Phat has become my go to compressor, it's certainly capable of the type of surgical side-chaining you're after.
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Re: 3rd party compressors for sidechaining? (logic)

Post by zeekazi » Mon Dec 31, 2012 7:36 am

LFO Tool! Not a compresser but a very nifty little device nonetheless...
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Re: 3rd party compressors for sidechaining? (logic)

Post by Matii » Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:22 am

What are you using to trigger the compressor? I found from experience that its hard to get a good sidechain sound from linking it to your kick drum track because sometimes the sustain on the kick your using is too long in duration so the compressor attenuates the signal too long, the release is only how long the compressor attenuates the signal after the trigger has gone below the threshold dB.
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Re: 3rd party compressors for sidechaining? (logic)

Post by WhyteNight » Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:00 am

All suggestions are much appreciated. Fucking love dubstepforum and I've only been a part of it for a few months. Cheers guys!

After I bounce down a kick that I'm happy with, I'll use the same sample on a no output audio track to trigger the compressor. However, I usually slice off a hefty bit of the end of the sample, as I'm EQing my kick so that much lower frequencies that come at the very tail end of the sample aren't even heard.

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