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Re: Compressor as an EQ

Post by hubb » Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:59 pm

Been thinking about this thread.

Another idea that wont squash the life out of a mix entirely.

If you have an eq like gliss eq that has dynamic filtering (focusing on transients that are available in a certain freq. range rather than just boosting a curve), you could have a look at your whole mix and then accentuate the most important peaks, like the fundamental, the snares body, the fundamental doubled up and tripled and so on.
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Re: Compressor as an EQ

Post by SunkLo » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:20 am

I think it's time I showed you guys my knob...
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The center LED lights up depending on the parameter the knob controls. So on the attack knob it'll light up during the attack phase, and on the threshold knob it'll light up when the signal exceeds the threshold, etc.

Too bad it'll look like turd at a smaller size :(
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Re: Compressor as an EQ

Post by nowaysj » Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:00 am

how lonG ARE Sounds in attack phase?
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Re: Compressor as an EQ

Post by titchbit » Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:38 am

nowaysj wrote:how lonG ARE Sounds in attack phase?
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Re: Compressor as an EQ

Post by SunkLo » Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:04 pm

Depends on your attack time innit :corntard:
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Re: Compressor as an EQ

Post by nowaysj » Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:21 pm

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Re: Compressor as an EQ

Post by SunkLo » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:46 pm

nowaysj wrote:f
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Re: Compressor as an EQ

Post by Genevieve » Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:04 pm

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Re: Compressor as an EQ

Post by nowaysj » Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:21 pm

Just cause a guy has only his left hand in the darkness to type...

What is the range of times for the attack phase? .5-250ms?
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Re: Compressor as an EQ

Post by titchbit » Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:33 pm

250 ms sounds pretty short. i'd say you'd want at least 5-10 seconds.

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Re: Compressor as an EQ

Post by SunkLo » Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:13 pm

Somewhere in the middle of your answers. Anywhere from instant to about 5 seconds.

Attack time is a misnomer though, really you're setting an attack decay speed. The way it works is by moving a fraction of the way to a target. So say 0dB gain reduction is occurring, signal goes above threshold, compressor requires 4 dB of gain reduction. The attack envelope takes the distance between the current value and the target value and multiplies it by the attack coefficient. So say the attack coefficient is 0.1, it'll move 10% of the way to the target value each sample. Because of this, it never actually reaches the exact value, just gets closer and closer. Think of moving to halfway between you and a fence, then moving to half that distance again, etc. The way most people calculate attack time is how long it takes for the exponential decay to get "close enough" to the target value. With "close enough" being defined as some arbitrary percentage.

Compressors like the 1176 where you're adjusting attack speed instead of time are actually more accurate to what's actually going on. Even though everyone complains "the knobs are wired backwards!"
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Re: Compressor as an EQ

Post by titchbit » Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:12 pm

oh fuck i was talking about synths i forgot we were talking about compressors lol

also that makes a lot of sense sunklo. Like a half life basically.

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Re: Compressor as an EQ

Post by Sharmaji » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:34 am

SunkLo wrote: Compressors like the 1176 where you're adjusting attack speed instead of time are actually more accurate to what's actually going on. Even though everyone complains "the knobs are wired backwards!"
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Re: Compressor as an EQ

Post by SunkLo » Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:46 am

If I did I'd be sure to label it Attack Speed not Time and have "Fast" and "Slow" written at the extremes of the range. Might still do that but have fast on the left and slow on the right just so it's still intuitive to people who are used to time based controls.

You use a VST host Sharm?
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Re: Compressor as an EQ

Post by Samuel_L_Damnson » Thu Feb 20, 2014 1:56 pm

honestly man, i use reason but i'd buy this comp off you when its done to use in reaper. I no nothing about vsts but this looks interesting. plus i bet it will be more unique than the average.
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Re: Compressor as an EQ

Post by Sharmaji » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:22 pm

SunkLo wrote:If I did I'd be sure to label it Attack Speed not Time and have "Fast" and "Slow" written at the extremes of the range. Might still do that but have fast on the left and slow on the right just so it's still intuitive to people who are used to time based controls.

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Re: Compressor as an EQ

Post by SunkLo » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:30 pm

Ah damn. I think I could still compile you a mac vst to check it out in ableton.

Today I'm gonna try to implement filtering in the sidechain and main signal path, as well as an option to use a transient detector instead of the standard envelope follower. And a wet/dry heh. I also... might... put in separate attack/release for the VCA gain depending on whether it's compressing or expanding... Timing stages are like the fucking hydra, this thing's gonna have a million of them by the time it's done. Might have that as an advanced option so it's not super overwhelming. Trying to keep the complexity fairly restrained without sacrificing flexibility.
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Re: Compressor as an EQ

Post by Sharmaji » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:15 pm

^ killa. would be super happy to check it out.

sounds like something crazy involved along the lines of the things elysia makes... innnnnnnteresting.............
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Re: Compressor as an EQ

Post by nowaysj » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:10 pm

IMO:

Simplicity > Flexibility

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The process of music production is complex enough. Anything that can remove complexity and still achieve results is a god send. Don't be fooled by a reductive linear argument here, of course there is a sweet spot. Your mission as a designer is to build around that sweet spot.

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