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Alright Newbies, Ask A Question

Post by nowaysj » Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:31 pm

Alright Newbies, guests, lurkers, those hidden in the shadows.

Time to register and get involved.

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So, I'm answering production questions, none too basic, fire away :Q:
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Re: Alright Newbies, Ask A Question

Post by m8son666 » Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:35 pm

How do i turn the metronome off in dubturbo?
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Re: Alright Newbies, Ask A Question

Post by nowaysj » Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:38 pm

The first thing you do is shut down dubturbo, then you go to add/remove programs and uninstall it. Then you demo all the relevant daws on your platform. Then comeback and ask another question.

You are not a newbie, guest, lurker or shadow person, btw.

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Re: Alright Newbies, Ask A Question

Post by m8son666 » Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:39 pm

Thank you

link to grunge band please? and i will leave ur thread
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Re: Alright Newbies, Ask A Question

Post by RKM » Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:40 pm

yeah please youtube evidence of said grunge band
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Re: Alright Newbies, Ask A Question

Post by nowaysj » Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:43 pm

Martian Americans, and there is absolutely nothing about them on the web as far as I can tell. We only got $25k, and ultimately nothing came of it. I was arrested the night we were signed, and from that my life spiraled a bit out of control (for that summer) by which point I was sleeping in bushes and on the steps of churches throughout the pacific northwest/west coast.

You're welcome to stick around and answer some questions, though. You've got mad skills and the shadow people could learn a lot from you.

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Re: Alright Newbies, Ask A Question

Post by nowaysj » Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:44 pm

That was directed at Mason, I don't know about you RKM :)

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Re: Alright Newbies, Ask A Question

Post by RKM » Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:52 pm

ah fuck thought i was highly rated for a brief moment

but yeah interesting though man

edit: if you have any demos i'd like to hear it but if that's a hassle i understand
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Re: Alright Newbies, Ask A Question

Post by nowaysj » Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:56 pm

Only heard one song from you and it was 9/10'ths fire.

We've got 12 guests down there at the bottom of the page, and they just be LURKIN.

Come into the light and experience the brotherhood of the production forum. The greats that have come through here are amazing, so many names. So much talent.

Share in that long tradition.
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Re: Alright Newbies, Ask A Question

Post by _ronzlo_ » Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:02 pm

Lurk lurk bo burk
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I'm still having a hard time understanding mid/side processing and how to use it for greater depth of space in mixes actually. Know anyting 'boot it?
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Re: Alright Newbies, Ask A Question

Post by fragments » Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:04 pm

_ronzlo_ wrote:
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I'm still having a hard time understanding mid/side processing and how to use it for greater depth of space in mixes actually. Know anyting 'boot it?
+1, every time I attempt to use it, things end up sounding poo
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Re: Alright Newbies, Ask A Question

Post by m8son666 » Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:05 pm

Ahh fair man that's pretty crazy!

I'm happy to help answer anyting thats asked
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Re: Alright Newbies, Ask A Question

Post by m8son666 » Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:06 pm

This video talks about mid/side although more for mastering. Tbh i never really notice a huge difference when i use it
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Re: Alright Newbies, Ask A Question

Post by _ronzlo_ » Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:11 pm

That's my issue as well. Every time I try to use it as suggested I either don't hear anything or it just sounds slightly less focused.
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Re: Alright Newbies, Ask A Question

Post by nowaysj » Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:22 pm

You've got to ask a german if you want to know about ms. I really don't use any mid/side techniques, it is outside of my current aesthetic/process, but I have used it in the past. Like most processing it can be used at the sound/channel/buss or master level.

Very common usage of it is to center the bass and widen the highs. Again this is low level, but this response is directed at our "guests" who should be signing up for accounts, right now.... You can grab an EQ with mid/side capabilities, and there are many now, m/s has come back into vogue. Switch it into m/s mode, on the sides channel try a db or two (depending if you are on a sound/channel, buss, or master - channel do more, buss do less, master do even less) of boost in a high shelf. Play around with the cutoff of the shelf, but anywhere from 1k upwards to 4khz.

Then still in the side channel, make either a low shelf or a low cut (or high pass, same as a low cut, different name) and cut out some lows. If a shelf, drop it depending on the usage, again, more for the channel level processing, less up to the master, but a db or two or more, have to use your ears, and sweep the cutoff up until you get to the body of the sound.

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When thinking about sounds, I've gotten it down to thinking about sound in three sections - sub, body and highs. Sub is 0-100, body goes from 100-1000 and highs are 1k and above. It is just easier for me to think about, and gets me results much quicker.
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Now, go into the mid channel, and do the opposite. Get a low shelf and boost it up a db or two or more or less, and sweep it up until around the body. Grab a high shelf and cut a db or two and bring it down to around the body area (1k from that direction).

Your sound/buss/master should now have a more spacious feel. The bass will have more energy, will kick harder, and sounds will seem wider as those highs are more pronounced out on the far sides.

This is a basic usage, you can really mess up sounds (in a good or bad way) through using m/s techniques. Try this as an entry into using the technique.

The next step would be applying this technique to dynamics. How do you think you could use mid/side to address dynamics?
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Re: Alright Newbies, Ask A Question

Post by fragments » Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:54 pm

I need to just read a manual and watch some (German?) tutorials on M/S...I try what you suggest on the master with waves H-EQ and it sounds poo-ish most of the time. ;p This is all a good place to start though!

As for your question about dynamics...when dealing with parallel compression it would give you additional control while using an EQ to before the compressor. Like for example you could decrease a slamming low end that was working the compressor too much by taking it out of the sides and some out of the center w/o totally taking all the low end out of the bus. IF that even makes sense.
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Re: Alright Newbies, Ask A Question

Post by nowaysj » Thu Jun 12, 2014 7:13 pm

I don't even really compress much (working with vinyl samples and pretty tame synths) but I was an eq before compressor guy, but now that I actually started listening to compressors, and how much low they pull out, I've started eq'ing after rather than before. I'd low cut or low shelf, with all the potential headroom robbing problems that entails, before the comp. Now I just let the comp's natural circuitry pull those lows out.

But using M/S on dynamics, what happens if you expand your wide highs a bit, and compress your low center? A more solid foot/base/bass, more consistent pressure/weight, with more apparent impact imparted from the sides?


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I feel like we're getting too far off the aim of this thread. Which is for those lurkers, those secret quiet people to join in the conversation. I've been throwing around all kinds of terms that are undefined, and if you don't know what they mean, all this sounds like gobbly gook.

So to all you regulars, so glad of you to stop by, and please hang out and contribute when you can, but I really want to hear from those guests. What are you guys looking for, what are you thinking about? What are you trying to learn? I'd like to help you guys if I can. All this talk of my past, I just put that up as a jokes kind of cv/resume, don't take it seriously, that is not what this is about.

This is about getting you guys to sign up for accounts and join in the discussion. Your questions, I'm sure, are shared by quite a few people so they'd be really happy to hear someone ask those questions, and I'd be happy to answer them.

It doesn't take much to sign up for an account. Just give them your email, and bingidy boom, you're signed up. DSF doesn't spam or anything like that, this place has been around pretty much since day one of dubstep, and really incredible people have come through here. Shit, Tes La Motherfucking Rok just posted a thread in here. Nice fedora by the way, dude.

And all the big names that came through here, started out not knowing anything, many of them teenagers, we've all asked really basic questions, we've all been made fun of, it is all good, we've all had our questions answered. A little while ago, hanging out on dubstepforum's production board was like getting a degree in music production, without the tuition, or bullshit attitude that you'd find on other boards (not naming names, But I'd Absolutely Blush if I did).

So anyway. What are you shadow people looking for?
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Re: Alright Newbies, Ask A Question

Post by cyclopian » Thu Jun 12, 2014 7:34 pm

Just want to add in for M/S Eq'ing, heres something for you guys to mess around with, can yeild some really cool results.

This is just a basic idea to play around with:
Automating various types of filter sweeps on the M/S so you can really push a sound through the mix side to side, without using panning. Cool for stuff like risers and cymbal rides. Play around with pretty extreme slopes when working on the effect, and then you can dial it back later if need be.

I.E for riser, sweep the filter so as it rises it starts off only on the sides and as it builds the sweep the filter on the mid so it pushes the riser into the middle of the mix.
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Re: Alright Newbies, Ask A Question

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Re: Alright Newbies, Ask A Question

Post by xtcvsmistycold » Thu Jun 12, 2014 7:52 pm

what's your favourite mixbuss compressor

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