How to get a punchier kick (WITH PICS GUIDE!)

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How to get a punchier kick (WITH PICS GUIDE!)

Post by ChadDub » Fri Jan 30, 2015 2:52 am

WOW! I just figured out how to make a punchier kick when your main 808/bass note is at 40-45 hz!!!

I've always had this problem when making songs with basslines that fall in the frequency because that is where a lot of the punchiness of a kick is in the subwoofer space. I know what you're think just sidechain it well it doesn't work as well as what I just figured out.

When putting your 808/bassline into the piano roll, cut the note short 1/4 of a step right before the next note hits. IT WORKS! I will make a video tomorrow explaining it if you don't get it...

And really this works great with any note/frequency, but it mostly makes a difference on the 40-50hz range.

This really is incredible to me. I haven't learned something this useful in a long long time...

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This is the sample I'm working with. It's the 808 from the Lex Luger Kit.

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This is what a normal piano roll for me looks like when I do 808s.

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This is what I will now be doing. NOTICE THE INSTRUMENT PROPERTIES TAB I TURNED THE VOLUME ADSR ON TO MAKE IT SO THE SAMPLE ONLY PLAYS WHEN THE NOTE IN THE PIANO ROLL IS THERE.

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Just try it for yourselves to see the difference. I think it just creates a bigger dynamic range from the bass to the next kick because of the split second silence.
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Re: How to get a punchier kick

Post by apostlebass » Fri Jan 30, 2015 3:00 am

You can also just sidechain your kick to your sub.

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Re: How to get a punchier kick

Post by ChadDub » Fri Jan 30, 2015 3:02 am

No bro I will show you tomorrow

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Re: How to get a punchier kick

Post by Beekah » Fri Jan 30, 2015 5:12 pm

Not quite sure what you mean, but I'm curious to see!

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Re: How to get a punchier kick (WITH PICS GUIDE!)

Post by ChadDub » Fri Jan 30, 2015 8:01 pm

Ok I put pics. My camtasia studio wouldn't work :((((

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Re: How to get a punchier kick (WITH PICS GUIDE!)

Post by cyclopian » Sat Jan 31, 2015 12:37 am

Isn't this just because when a kick pitches down in the tail the frequencies blend with the sub-line?

Pretty old school trick.
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Re: How to get a punchier kick (WITH PICS GUIDE!)

Post by Alexthegr81 » Sat Jan 31, 2015 10:38 pm

This is pretty solid, I do this a lot with samples, not just bassy sub kicks, ultimately it preserves the attack of the kick, or snare if you got it hitting more than once too fast. I feel the reason for this is because it's just instantly releasing. Also lets a compressor or transient designer release faster. I dunno why. Going with this logic I tried to also side chain synths slightly before the drum hit but it doesn't have the same effectiveness on preserving the transient. It does add a slight suction-y effect the sound though.
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Re: How to get a punchier kick (WITH PICS GUIDE!)

Post by ChadDub » Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:14 am

Alexthegr81 wrote:This is pretty solid, I do this a lot with samples, not just bassy sub kicks, ultimately it preserves the attack of the kick, or snare if you got it hitting more than once too fast. I feel the reason for this is because it's just instantly releasing. Also lets a compressor or transient designer release faster. I dunno why. Going with this logic I tried to also side chain synths slightly before the drum hit but it doesn't have the same effectiveness on preserving the transient. It does add a slight suction-y effect the sound though.
YES exactly! Preserving the transient!

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