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Postby breakbait » Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:28 pm

I'm contemplating buying a pair either today or tomorrow for £800 ex display. I've wanted some for ages but it's a big decision. Are they worth it?
Also on monday I won £900 in a poker tournament which is why I'm considering buyin them today.
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Postby wil blaze » Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:56 pm

not used them myself but i guess they are one of the industry standard monitors in this price range.

i'd got for it if you have no monitors as they are essential to gettin a good mix on your tracks

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Postby metalboxproducts » Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:14 pm

Bye cheaper monitors and spend the rest on lsd and crack. Life time of inspiration :D: Now. where did i put that pipe.
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Postby shonky » Thu Jul 27, 2006 3:07 pm

metalboxproducts wrote:Bye cheaper monitors and spend the rest on lsd and crack. Life time of inspiration :D: Now. where did i put that pipe.


Analog Brothers stylee - the man speaks sense (more like a week though at current prices)
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Postby seckle » Thu Jul 27, 2006 4:31 pm

i have mackie 824's. probably the best $ i've spent in years. had them nearly 4 years now, and nothing but good things to say. they're f'ing loud too. depending on the size of your room, you may have to play around with spacing them out a bit.
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Postby elemental » Fri Jul 28, 2006 4:00 pm

I chose Genelec 8040's over the 824's - sounded tighter overall and clearer mids and tops. Bass does not go quite as low as the 824's, but only by a few Hz.

But the Mackies are still proper nice speakers. Check the Genelecs if u can tho.
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Postby toxin » Sat Jul 29, 2006 1:38 pm

deffinatly buy them, make sure you place them in the right place in the studio on a hard solid serfice (breezeblock with carpet ontop)
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Postby facetime » Sun Jul 30, 2006 6:27 am

I would recommend that you NOT buy the 824s. There is a significant boost in the low end that you will always have to consider while mixing, and the low end is also said to be muddy and poorly defined. if your low end is pumped up during mixing, it will come out weak in the club

Depending on your budget I would go for Dynaudio BM5a's, BM6A's or ideally BM15s. I have BM6a's and am very happy with them. apparently dillinja uses them as well. top quality monitors
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Postby indostylez » Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:16 am

mmmm.. Dynaudio BM5A's :drool:
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Postby ramadanman » Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:57 am

i like genelecs...although i don't have them :(
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Postby eventualdecline » Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:09 pm

Facetime wrote:I would recommend that you NOT buy the 824s. There is a significant boost in the low end that you will always have to consider while mixing, and the low end is also said to be muddy and poorly defined. if your low end is pumped up during mixing, it will come out weak in the club

Depending on your budget I would go for Dynaudio BM5a's, BM6A's or ideally BM15s. I have BM6a's and am very happy with them. apparently dillinja uses them as well. top quality monitors
What the crack are you smoking?!!?! When you buy the hr824s you get an individual print out for each monitor on it's frequency response. The whole point of the hr824s is that they have a flat response down to 30hz which is where the roll-off occurs with no boost.

I think you need to read up on your monitors a bit more before saying things like the above like it's fact...
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Postby dj $hy » Tue Aug 08, 2006 4:45 pm

Huge speakers, we got them in the studio and I got sum 642's for my studio at home.

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Postby facetime » Wed Aug 09, 2006 3:46 am

eventualdecline wrote:What the crack are you smoking?!!?! When you buy the hr824s you get an individual print out for each monitor on it's frequency response. The whole point of the hr824s is that they have a flat response down to 30hz which is where the roll-off occurs with no boost.

I think you need to read up on your monitors a bit more before saying things like the above like it's fact...


Sure its not a fact, but it is an overwhelming consensus among audio professionals. go search "hr824" at gearslutz or prosoundweb. I guarantee you will find literally hundreds of posts by professionals who will attest to the pumped bottom end of the hr824s and the poor translation of mixes done on them.

if you want some monitors to plug into your Mbox and produce a loud boom.. by all means go for the hr824. you probably wont tell the difference in an untreated bedroom studio anyway. but if you are actually serious about your monitoring you might want to do some research.
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Postby secretagentgel » Fri Aug 11, 2006 1:39 pm

another vote for. im sure some people have bad opinions but every professional review i've read was pro, every studio engineer i've mentioned them to was pro, and my dog likes them.

as for too much bass, treat yr room and remember they're nearfield. meaning they should be about four feet away from yr ears and each other. if i move back even a foot or so, there's a lot of bass (which makes sense).

they're amazing, just make sure you use 'em right.

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Postby breakbait » Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:32 pm

i'm still yet to buy them, but by the sounds of most of you it sounds like a good idea. I'm gonna read up on the genelecs now and see what sort of prices they go for. cheers to everyone for all the advice
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Postby eventualdecline » Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:33 pm

Facetime wrote:Sure its not a fact, but it is an overwhelming consensus among audio professionals. go search "hr824" at gearslutz or prosoundweb. I guarantee you will find literally hundreds of posts by professionals who will attest to the pumped bottom end of the hr824s and the poor translation of mixes done on them.

if you want some monitors to plug into your Mbox and produce a loud boom.. by all means go for the hr824. you probably wont tell the difference in an untreated bedroom studio anyway. but if you are actually serious about your monitoring you might want to do some research.


I don't need to read forums for two major reasons:
1. The frequency response has already been tested and certified in my hr824s as well as every other hr824 that leaves the factory.

2. I don't know what setup those users have who post on forums, more than likely it's their setup that is incorrect and leading to poor mixdowns, not the monitors themselves.
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Postby kion » Sat Aug 12, 2006 3:38 pm

eventualdecline wrote:2. I don't know what setup those users have who post on forums, more than likely it's their setup that is incorrect and leading to poor mixdowns, not the monitors themselves.


That's probably more the case - room modes can really f*ck with your low end mix if you're not careful
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Postby facetime » Sat Aug 12, 2006 5:09 pm

KION wrote:
eventualdecline wrote:2. I don't know what setup those users have who post on forums, more than likely it's their setup that is incorrect and leading to poor mixdowns, not the monitors themselves.


That's probably more the case - room modes can really f*ck with your low end mix if you're not careful


But this is exactly why those forums are incredibly useful when researching gear. The guys on there are often 20+ years in the game. They mix down 50 cent, shakira, young jeezy etc. and mix everyday in rooms the rest of us only dream about. not to mention many have spent thousands of hours on many different top end monitors, which serves as a great basis for comparison. they can tell you how things work in the real world, as opposed to manufacturer supplied info and incestuous reviews in gear peddling magazines like future music. one of the admins' jobs is to build studios for Timbaland, Neptunes etc. if you're attentive you can pick up studio knowledge that these superstar producers pay tens of thousands of dollars for.

About the 824: to be fair there are a decent number of posts that defend the hr824, but the conclusion of my research was that most of the pro-824 posts are by people who have recently purchased 824's and argue along the lines of "theres nothing wrong with my monitors, they're great". Some of the posts against the 824 come from people who are unhappy with the 824s and contemplating a switch, but most come from people who have owned 824s and switched to a different brand like ADAMs, and report that their newer monitors do not have the same translation problems. Breakbait wanted to know whether or not to buy the 824's, and this is the reason why I recommend against: sure they are great value and good quality, almost impossible to beat in that pricerange, but at the same time they are a monitor that many many people grow unhappy with for the exact same reasons every time (poor translation, muddy bottom end) and decide to upgrade from. the consistency of the specific complaints againt the 824 leads me to conclude that there must be an underlying issue with the monitors, not room treatment. these same people are perfectly happy with different monitors in the same rooms. there just isnt the same trend for monitors that are a little bit up the spectrum. in the long run you will probably save money if you spend a bit more now and go for Genelecs, Dynaudios or ADAMs and not have to shell out for an upgrade a year or two down the road.
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Postby kion » Sat Aug 12, 2006 5:32 pm

Whenever I've heard Mackie 824's they sound tight as f*ck in the bottom end - not boomy at all.

Studio-Central wrote:One thing about the 824's bass--it is quite powerful and clean. I am happy to report that it actually helps me get the troublesome bass level set properly. I also found that a moderate bass level on the Mackies translated to a strong bass on my other monitors. If I were to mix up a strong bass on the Mackies my other speakers got boomy. This is no doubt due to the fact that the Mackies can handle strong bass tones without breaking up. While other monitors may pop their woofs and wheeze out their ports, the Mackies simply remain tight and solid. Once I got used to that and compensated by not tweaking in too much bass, I found that my mix sounded right on both subwoofer enhanced systems and on bass-shy speakers. I am finding this is superior to mixing with subwoofers. Why? When you mix with subs it's easy to have great bass definition that does not translate at all to bass shy speakers. Lets take timpani for example. Mixing with a subwoofer, its really easy to get a thundering tone, that blasts deep into your internal organs. Yet on a small speaker system, it turns to a metallic-like cardboard box sound. Mixed on the HR824's you'd never hear that really low thunder tone like it is on the sub so you'd boost the lo freq of the timpani. This adjustment makes it sound perfect on a bass shy monitor and awesome on a subwoofer. This is just to say that the roll-off of low frequencies where they are can make for a better, more universal bass mix. (Mackie claims the HR824 is flat down to 39hZ where a typical subwoofer will be able to reach down to 30, 25 and even 20hZ).


Now this seems to totally contradict what you say about a 'boomy bass' on the Mackies themselves...

But it makes more sense to me than your claim of boomyness after hearing the 824's in action.

By the way I use Dynaudio's - very nice sound, if a tiny little bit bright.
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