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Postby kion » Sat Aug 12, 2006 5:39 pm

Recording.org is a good place for researching gear as well. Top Mastering Studio guys post there regularly too.
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Postby facetime » Sun Aug 13, 2006 4:36 pm

Well, first off I take issue with whoever wrote that review. The man clearly and obviously doesn't know how to use a sub. They have volume and crossover controls for a reason.. so that the sub is a smooth extension of the frequency range, not something that something that pumps up anything below 80hz. a properly set up sub should not be putting out thundering bass that doesnt translate. dude quite simply needs to turn down whatever sub he's been using

secondly, thats the only monitor review I see on that site, in amongst a bunch of amateurish reviews of prosumer gear. and whats he comparing it to? the only con: "More expensive than other home studio monitors". the expense in NOT a con of the 824: they are EXTREMELY inexpensive for a full range powered nearfield/midfield. it just shows where this guy is coming from if he considers them expensive. oh I see, they sound better than behringer truths.. well duh.

as far as the 824's, I went to recording.org as you suggested and did a search. lo and behold the EXACT same arguments came up, and follow almost exactly what I have been describing at every other pro audio board. I encourage anyone who is following this to go read these threads and draw their own conclusion.

this first one's a long one and highly technical, but extremely informative:

http://www.recording.org/ftopict-10431-mackie.html+hr824

the second one is of people thanking those that explained the problems with the 824's

http://www.recording.org/ftopict-10512-mackie.html+hr824


Sorry to labour the point so much, but when I post something that is a valuable professional opinion on these monitors which I gleaned from hours and hours of research (I was going to buy 824s at one point), and then I'm called a crackhead by some 16 year old, based on a manufacturer suppied spec sheet (:roll:), I tend to get defensive.
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Postby kion » Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:56 pm

I read about 4 pages of the first link and got tired of these 40+ year old menopausal geezers trying to justify their opinions by spouting how they'd received $18,000 cheques for work they'd done. Doesn't make them right does it :wink: Or good. As there are crap producers and mastering houses out there that do awful jobs and have been in business for years (in equal proportion to the good ones out there).

A lot of them make / master / produce music for mainstream radio and audiophile markets. We don't - we make music for club systems, which, again, have slightly extended low frequencies. Isn't that what we want to make sure we get right?
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Postby Jubz » Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:58 am

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Postby facetime » Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:57 pm

KION wrote:I read about 4 pages of the first link and got tired of these 40+ year old menopausal geezers trying to justify their opinions by spouting how they'd received $18,000 cheques for work they'd done. Doesn't make them right does it :wink: Or good. As there are crap producers and mastering houses out there that do awful jobs and have been in business for years (in equal proportion to the good ones out there).

A lot of them make / master / produce music for mainstream radio and audiophile markets. We don't - we make music for club systems, which, again, have slightly extended low frequencies. Isn't that what we want to make sure we get right?


KION, those are definitly some valid points. I find a lot of pro audio guys really obnoxious and conceited too, but I think that just goes with the territory.. I'd say the majority of top engineers have terrible personalities. I disagree (in this case anyway) that you should just disregard their opinions. In every one of these threads on every pro forum, every engineer with credentials is against the 824, and in hundreds and hundreds of posts theres not a single person with any credentials defending the 824s. Theres just got to be a grain of truth to it at the very least.

And I'm not telling anyone to go master NS10s or that real music doesn't go below 60 hz. I don't agree with that either. I'm all for full range monitoring, but at that price point what you gain in range you lose in quality. The issue is that if you want full range, it costs money. the mackie sells the 824 as a BM15a at half the price. How does mackie do it? by using a cheap passive radiator design that acheives 30hz response by compromising the sound, instead of using the standard designs that all other more expensive full range monitors use. sure they are good monitors for the money, but you still get what you pay for at the end of the day.. and its not professional full range monitoring, as Mackie claims.
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Postby eventualdecline » Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:04 pm

I have two years experience with hr824s and I have to say if you do your research and get them setup correctly they're perfect. The only monitors that are better are genelecs and those are quite a bit more expensive and you'll just run into the same problems if you don't set them up correctly either.

Right now you seem a bit fanatic about a set of monitors you've never honestly spent any real time with. Just drop it man.
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Postby forensix (mcr) » Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:18 pm

wow

maybe we should spend less time talking about equipment and more time making music??
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Postby facetime » Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:36 pm

eventualdecline wrote:Right now you seem a bit fanatic about a set of monitors you've never honestly spent any real time with. Just drop it man.


True. but I'm just fanatic about all speakers in general.. PA too, and these are a pair of monitors I was really really interested in at one point, as were a lot of people. Anyways, I've said my bit and I'll leave it at that.
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Postby batfink » Mon Aug 14, 2006 4:04 pm

forensix (mcr) wrote:wow

maybe we should spend less time talking about equipment and more time making music??


Next you'll be suggesting that people actually go and demo a pair of Mackie HR824s against the likes of Dynaudio's, ADAM's, PMC's and other well-regarded pro monitors and make up their minds for themselves. Sheesh. :evil:



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Postby forensix (mcr) » Mon Aug 14, 2006 4:55 pm

Batfink wrote:Next you'll be suggesting that people actually go and demo a pair of Mackie HR824s against the likes of Dynaudio's, ADAM's, PMC's and other well-regarded pro monitors and make up their minds for themselves. Sheesh. :evil:
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come on that would just be stupid, i think from now one when i have a decision to make in my life im going to post it up on the internet and wait for hours whilst people debate what i should do then watch as my life slowly fades away in front of my eyes as i dont get a single reasonable answer

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Postby batfink » Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:16 pm

forensix (mcr) wrote:
Batfink wrote:Next you'll be suggesting that people actually go and demo a pair of Mackie HR824s against the likes of Dynaudio's, ADAM's, PMC's and other well-regarded pro monitors and make up their minds for themselves. Sheesh. :evil:
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come on that would just be stupid, i think from now one when i have a decision to make in my life im going to post it up on the internet and wait for hours whilst people debate what i should do then watch as my life slowly fades away in front of my eyes as i dont get a single reasonable answer

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Postby cure » Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:54 pm

metalboxproducts wrote:Bye cheaper monitors and spend the rest on lsd and crack. Life time of inspiration :D: Now. where did i put that pipe.


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