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dubstep with hardware

Post by tee2006 » Mon Oct 16, 2006 9:28 pm

does anyone not use software to create dubstep, and what hardware are u usin?

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Post by 2000f » Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:40 am

Got a HUGE colelction of gear, but currently I need a new MIDI interface (thought of the Digidesign MIDI I/O) to make it all happen again. Haven´t used hardware since 1999, and work primarely with Reason, Pro Tools (LE og TDM HD3 Accel) and Live. I´ve before posted my gear list on the forum, but it´s a bit long. :)
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Post by tee2006 » Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:46 am

I'm a big hiphop head and shunned software to make beats with a microkorg and mpc1000. u reckon its possible to knock up some dubstep with those tools?

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Post by 2000f » Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:17 am

DEFINATELY!!! Looking forward hearing your beats, boss.
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Post by sgtpilko » Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:58 am

it's the biggest cliche ever but it doesn't matter which box you use, it's what you make come out of it. An MPC is just a sampler, it plays what you put in. Likewise the Korg is a synth which can produce the same waveforms as any software synth, its what you do with it after this that determines how good your track is.

The downside of hardware? With the right connections anybody can nip online and get a new set of industry standard plugins worth more than their car. But...some great music has come out of being restricted by equipment. Lee Perry did well with 4 tracks (then 8 tracks) and a space echo. Hiphop guys of the past made heavy beats with 2secs sampling time on 8bit machines.

half of all dubstep is probably made on Fruityloops or Reason which "proper" producers from other genres would laugh at anyway
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Post by facetime » Tue Oct 17, 2006 4:23 pm

hardware is great, and almost always sounds better than software.
you can get software to sound close to hardware, but it takes a lot of tricks and engineering

I'm thoroughly convinced that the main reason people tout software is because you can steal it. If you actually paid the retail price for software, you could get a wicked hardware setup for less. I just picked up an Emu e6400 ultra for roughly 160 pounds. its sweet, and the filters are better than any softsampler. same goes for synths. you can pick up an old virus virtual analogue for the equivalent of 200 pounds, and they sound awesome, way better than albino or z3ta.

real analogue synths are expensive, but completely blow softsynths out of the water.

the only problem is that with hardware you are going to need a good 8 channel interface (or an analogue mixer and dat machine) because everything is going through the DA converters. thats where the real cost comes in vs. software. its not going out of the box that costs, its connecting whats outside to your computer that is the expensive part

back to the original point, this is my setup (I sold some hardware to go software only, but now im in the process of building up more hardware, because it rules):

Mac Pro 2x2.66ghz
Atari 1040ST (just picked up for $50 canadian)
Apogee Ensemble 8-channel audio interface
Dynaudio BM6A monitors
E-mu e6400 Ultra sampler
Studio Electronics SE-1 monophonic analogue synth
(just sold a Yamaha Motif Rack ES)

on the way:
Akai S3000XL sampler
Acess Virus C Virtual analogue synth

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Post by fubar » Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:10 pm

I would but really cant afford it at the moment. I really like the idea of being able to sit down and mess about, get down tracks etc, without having to deal with a computer interface, which can sometimes really do my head in. Ive got some mates who only use hardware and record all their tracks live with no sequencing, just multitracking over etc using drum machines random samples from a dictaphone and some synths and its wickid.
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Post by neurosisorchestra » Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:04 pm

It´s simply more fun to have external machines to play with for hours but at the end of the day most gear-nerds don´t do anything else than that. My point is, that the producers have fun with external synthesizers, but the musical results aren´t necessarily the best.
I´m also not convinced about the argument of the better sound quality because a) it´s all about post-production those days in electronic music in general and b) especially Grime gets it´s aesthetics from using really "cheap", plastic, digital sounds. Sort of similar for Dubstep - it´s not about the "true analog sound" here but about good samples and creating a certain atmosphere.
I´m having external gear for a couple of years (elektron machinedrum, waldorf q, clavia micro modular) but do most of my tunes with software.
Anyway, I guess it´s all about creativity and not the machines you use.

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Post by feralbrown » Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:19 pm

Nope... I use Ableton/midi keys and ReCycle for just about everything these days... I used to fiddle with "hardware hacking", under the name "Stupid Japanese Toys", which was basically contact mics and pick-ups wired into kids toys, run into a sampler, but it was wasting too much of my time, so I stopped... (google "Toy Death" if you want an idea of what I'm on about)
but I'm rambling now...

this is what I wanted to show you... saving my pennies, one by one... looks affordable and worthy! :D

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Post by luke.envoy » Wed Oct 18, 2006 2:11 pm

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Post by 2000f » Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:56 pm

My favourite hardware limiter, used on almost all of my productions:
A DISA (Dansk Industri Syndikat) early 1960´s Danish valve limiter, originally used for disc cutting. Quite similar as the Fairchild - and it sounds AMASING!!!!!! Modified in Germany by the good people at HE Studiotechnik (featuring attack, release, stereo link and threshold options).

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Post by pk- » Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:40 pm

what does it do?

i'm not being fascetious, i really don't know

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Post by subframe » Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:20 pm

that looks sweet, I love old gear like that.

I haven't used my hardware in ages, but definitely plan on getting back into it after I finish up a couple of tunes i'm working on now. It really does sound better, to my ear; this may be down to the fact that having a knob to twist is more fun than pushing a mouse, leading me to more inspired sound design.

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Post by doomstep » Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:03 am

luke.envoy wrote:Image
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Post by 2000f » Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:21 am

pk- wrote:what does it do?

i'm not being fascetious, i really don't know
Well, it´s an old-fashioned valve limiter. Like the Fairchild, it was intended for use when cutting acetates and as a broadcast limiter. It´s a rather rare unit, and it took them many months to refit the two units in a rack as well as modifying them. I have yet to see at studio featuring these DISA units.

On my stereo buss mix I usually use:

Pro Tools HD out -> DISA limiter -> Manley Massive Passive valve eq (or Neuman PEVc eq or Neumann W496 eq) - > SSL Xlogic G compressor. BRRRAAAAP!
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Post by facetime » Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:09 pm

2000F wrote: On my stereo buss mix I usually use:

Pro Tools HD out -> DISA limiter -> Manley Massive Passive valve eq (or Neuman PEVc eq or Neumann W496 eq) - > SSL Xlogic G compressor. BRRRAAAAP!
sick.

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Post by dogdaze » Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:50 pm

i made a tune with my moog prodigy synth for the b-line:

http://www.myspace.com/2562dub (track called 'moog dub')

it gives the bass a very different character (wonder if you can hear that on a myspace player though lol)
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Post by pk- » Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:15 pm

Well, it´s an old-fashioned valve limiter.
still none the wiser

i probably should've asked 'whats a limiter?'

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Post by 2000f » Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:02 pm

Ah, sorry mate.

There are different kinds of dynamic processing that can be applied to audio signals, and I reckon that especially compression and limiting has been explained to detail on the forum before.

But you deal with gate, ducking, expanding, limiting and compression in general. When dealing with mixing compression and limiting comes in handy when you want to "tame" excessive transients/dynamics; e.g. a snare that "jumps" up and down in volume. As a basic guideline the compressor works in more gentle way that a limiter, but it all depends on the design and use of it. A limiter tends to work faster (i.e. it can "catch" even the fastest transients) and sometimes harder (it reduces the volume of these transients by a higher factor than the compressor). So what both type of units does is controlling the dynamics of you audio signal. If you limit all of the fast transients to a minimum you will then be able to raise the overall volume of the signal without clipping. I reckon wikipedia or google might be better at descriping the process, especially a drawing or diagram would be useful :)


Please bear in mind that valves/tubes doesn´t imply "better", but it sounds different to other designs.
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