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Post by r33lc4sh » Sun Dec 18, 2005 4:30 pm

omen wrote: your talkin pup son
same to u ;)
omen wrote: dubstep is dubstep
breakstep is breakstep

they are both my choice in music but ino the difference between the 2
i know the difference also - u have problems with understanding what i'm writing about or my english is so bad that u can't get it?
dubstep is dubstep - true
breakstep is breakstep - true
but the scene is mainly the same - the same people
two genres of music with similar attitude and heads
all i was trying to say is that we can use word 'dubstep' to describe a little bit wider 'thing' than 'dubstep' as a very narrow music genre
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Post by r33lc4sh » Sun Dec 18, 2005 4:30 pm

plankton wrote:This whole thing is pretty pointless if you ask me.

Isn't this the same genre-assignment argument that house, D+B, and techno people always roll their eyes at?

Let's just keep making good tunes. To paraphrase Zappa, arguing about music is like dancing about architecture.
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Post by geoff » Sun Dec 18, 2005 5:35 pm

r33lc4sh wrote: but the scene is mainly the same - the same people
two genres of music with similar attitude and heads
Maybe it might look like that to someone whose only contact with the scene is the records and this forum, but if you were to go to the core clubnights its not quite as simple. Bottom line is, I reckon, that dubstep has a real scene with two clubs nights, DMZ and Forward (mixed with grime) and breakstep doesn't (just now anyway) really have a scene in its own right, probably because it doesn't really have a clear enough identity away from breaks. The Destructive nights haven't exactly been rammed (a understatement from what I heard) after all and I don't know any other nights that play exclusively breakstep although I might be wrong cos I don't live in London. I wonder therefore why you don't hear many breakstep people saying their music isnt dubstep, but are happy to have the confusion, but the other way around, dubstep people always want to distinguish their sound from breakstep.

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Post by r33lc4sh » Sun Dec 18, 2005 5:42 pm

geoff maybe u should start to say: london dubstep scene?
i think that breakstepers do what they do becouse they think that they are makind dubstep with breaks and they feel themself to be party of the dubstep movement? just theorize
and maybe the problem of london (especially south london) dubsteppers is that they want to be elite and defend the 'pure dubstep' from this evil breaks? ;)
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Post by geoff » Sun Dec 18, 2005 6:02 pm

You could be right Reelcash. But they could also think that it is the wrong direction for the scene they built up to go down (hence no breakstep djs on the lineups at dmz or forward) since it will be just become seen as part of the breakbeat scene - i can understand why they would want to avoid that, breakbeat ironically being the only breakbeat oriented music I've ever hated.

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Post by alex bk-bk » Sun Dec 18, 2005 6:23 pm

r33lc4sh wrote:south london dubsteppers is that they want to be elite and defend the 'pure dubstep' from this evil breaks? ;)
yep. pretty much.

anyway i want to just point our how silly yr being about the whole culture thing. that is a very outdated view of what culture is. We live amongst a matrix of micro-cultures that all overlap and co-exist with a whole system of mindlessly complicated exchanges across membranes happening all the time.

Why do you think dubstep came about where and when it did. There are invisible factors that have effected its synthesis and THAT is the culture that has surrounded it.

So GREAT. Be a fan, be involved, be from wherever. But PLEASE keep in mind the native context of what yr into becuase context is all

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Post by delsa » Sun Dec 18, 2005 6:30 pm

geoff wrote:(hence no breakstep djs on the lineups at dmz or forward)
i cant really be bothered to jump on to this tired and dieing horse but...................... Distance is playing at the next dmz and the hot flush guys played at the last one. Plus Joe Nice who played at DMZ a while back likes to mix up the two styles, which I heard every one present enjoyed.
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Post by ghettobot » Sun Dec 18, 2005 6:49 pm

RANDOM TRIO wrote:big selection but toasty, s&d & morph dont produce dub step :wink:
probably i should start a new thread insted of hijacking my own...
so it's called dubstep or not...

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Post by ghettobot » Sun Dec 18, 2005 6:54 pm

all i was talkin
bout was my favourite songs!

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Post by ghettobot » Sun Dec 18, 2005 7:03 pm

there's too much fighting on the dancefloor...

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Post by autonomic » Sun Dec 18, 2005 8:34 pm

All about "Ghost Town" by K9 and Space Ape. 2Tone-Step. Get me.

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Post by ghettobot » Sun Dec 18, 2005 8:38 pm

fo' shone! 2tone step!
thanks for bringing it back around.

out to all tha hijackers! big up!
thanks for stoppin by, guys...
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Post by random trio » Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:32 am

bOa wrote:
big selection but toasty, s&d & morph dont produce dub step


way to kill a thread, cyrus... :(
lol. damn i should run for prime minister.

it wernt ment 2 start a war bro. jus pointing out what's what..in a good way. edumucation.

all us lot have worked hard 2 get this sound 2 where it is.I think we deserve 2 put a point across.

big up 2 all still. keep repping.

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Post by dj $hy » Mon Dec 19, 2005 10:39 am

Root - Loefah
Anti War Dub - DMZ
Banshee - Cyrus (be nice mate lol)
Vexd - Knowledge rmx
Boxcutter - Sunshine

Some cracking tracks this year and I cant fucking wait for next as its starting to take flight now!
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Post by dubmugga » Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:20 pm

geoff wrote:But i dont think dubstep is just music. I think many people have come to dubstep not just because of the music, but also because of the attitude of certain labels, producers, djs etc. I mean, personally, if Dubmugga was the most important player in the dubstep scene for example, after the amount of bullshit, beggin it, hype, that he chats on here, I certainly wouldnt be as into the scene no matter what his music sounded like. Its because I like the way what I associate with the core of the scene (i.e. the south london side) carries itself, musically and in terms of attitude (i.e. not full of empty hype and transparent a&r tripe and blatantly not in a rush to go anywhere except in their own time) that dubstep is cool with me. Its not just about music spreading here there and everywhere as fast as possible in an hi-tech a format as possible. The culture has to spread and that involves understanding a bit about where its from, not just where its at. It seems to me that lots of overseas artists/producers and fans on here do get that. But some blatantly don't!
ohhhh riiiiigggghhhttttt, this is what was causing the misunderstanding in the other thread...

...so uh geoff, don't judge me by my internet persona that is purely virtual, judge us by our tunes or walk a mile in my shoes...

understand that we as HELL_SD were into garage and breakstep quite a while ago and our sound developed contemporaneously with what was emerging in underground london, shit i could play you some stuff from years ago that never made sense til now...

...tell me geoff what do you know of my culture and how does that fit into your scene ???

BTW you might want to hear this, snippets forthcoming...
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Post by r33lc4sh » Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:50 pm

Alex bk-bk wrote: anyway i want to just point our how silly yr being about the whole culture thing. that is a very outdated view of what culture is. We live amongst a matrix of micro-cultures that all overlap and co-exist with a whole system of mindlessly complicated exchanges across membranes happening all the time.
and u think that 300 or 1000 years ago it was different? it was the same - only the exchange ability was poor
culture is very very strong and wide term - don't over use it
things u call culture are called sub-culture - let's stick to the proper terms
So GREAT. Be a fan, be involved, be from wherever. But PLEASE keep in
mind the native context of what yr into becuase context is all
i put things in to thecontext as a reciever - if everybody thinks like u all the literature critics starve to death 'couse they work becomes worthless ;)
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Post by alex bk-bk » Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:50 pm

Reelcash you've lost me, and ive obviously lost you. lets agree to dissagree mate, peace.

Dubmugga.
See now im never going to listen to your music. i dont care if you make the best tunes in history, you make me queasy, so its too late for you music. GET THE FUCKING MESSAGE. straight!!!

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Post by geoff » Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:55 pm

r33lc4sh wrote: things u call culture are called sub-culture - let's stick to the proper terms
he used the term micro-culture actually.
sub-culture is in fact the dated term.

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Post by thinking » Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:56 pm

Vex'd - Fire & Knowledge breaky remix
Scuba - Thank U
SLT - Stopper
Cogent - Vindi & Sundayz
DMZ - Stuck
Pinch - Deserted Island
Shackleton - Chainsaw Massacre & Naked
Toasty - Splash (yea I know it's old but I can't stop playing it) & Candy Floss rmx
S&D - Kilimanjaro
L-Wiz - Egyptic

So many good tunes this year, but those are the ones that have really tickled my bits.

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