Dubtep=the new punk. Discuss

[kams1]

was punk not a lot about fashion and appearance and being an attention seeking individual as well, cant really see any dubstep fashion or appearance thing going on, or any kind of similarity with punk, dubstpes jsut another form of dancemusic ffs people need to stop looking into it. this thread is bollox maybe in america its the new punk but theyre kinda different over there

[hate recordings]

if you don't like punk fair enough but jesus talk about missing the point.

while as much as i'd like to NOT contribute to this thread, im gonna go on the hypocritical deep end here and say that mos dan is right on this one.

i was raised as a child with punk rock. being born in the dc area in the early 80's (remember the punk movement from dc? - minor threat, bad brains, ect) and having my father run a recording studio in our basement, i can honestly say i've witnessed firsthand alot of what punk rock is and where it comes from, who makes it and what thier objectives are (or were as the case may be).

i can honestly say that while punk rock and dubstep are not even remotely close, thier similarities are vaugly there as far as being independant are concerned. that's the only thing i can think of that dubstep would have in common with punk. but then again, i'd also say that at the same time, it's just as much as any other underground electronic music, it's diy.

in fact, if anyone said "the only thing they have in common is that theyre diy" first in this thread wins this one in my book.

but this thread is whack. id love to see it thrown in OT and buried forever. it's nonsense. i feel like an ass for even contributing to it.

[superisk]

maybe in america its the new punk but theyre kinda different over there

Waiting for this to get shot down

[mos dan]

i feel like an ass for even contributing to it.

mate i wish i could resist it as well - i know it's my bad for getting drawn in, sorry everyone. i just had the ghost of joe strummer on my shoulder saying 'you can't let that slide!'

big up minor threat. first person to sample them in a dubstep track gets my vote, however appalling it sounds

[mushug]

From what I read in this forum looks like Dubstep is the best music ever and the rest is shit.

I appreciate the DIYness, rebeliousness, and sometimes politically driven lyrics of Punk. But musically, it's not that impressive. Using the same few chords all the time, yelling, etc. There's a lot more that goes into the production of Dubstep than Punk. So to equate the two is an insult.

What's with the chord thing? I thought dubstep only used one note bassline most of the time.

[robadub]

if u have to compare it to a scene i think it has similarities with 92 ardcore

[mr. messer]

jesus

i can think of a few hundred people crying in their graves right now

[danolboy]

the first time i heard a dubstep mix (digital mystikz essential mix) reminded me of the excitement i felt the first time i was exposed to punk rock. also felt the same way the first time i heard acid house. really the only parallels for me.

True say.

[stone]

In terms of the d i y eathos.

i dissagree. weren't punks angry an shit? this seems to be only about the music and nothing else. i could think of half a dozen things that dubstep is the new ____ besides punk rock.

[kion]

dubstep is the new rahrah skirt

[n-type]

im a fucking punk

[n-type]

but not a punk slag

[itcch]

no dubstep isn't the new punk, the ethos is similar but what ethos within electonic music isn't these days? everybody makes beats like everyone can spin... punk was radical and raised issue's in its hayday, ie sex pistols reaching number 1 and not being acknowledged, but dubstep at this stage couldnt strike them cords in society or even the music industry. Its still in its infancy and has along way to go to develop into what some people describe as a life changing genre of music. Dont get me wrong its very important to me and i love going down to fwd and listening to it at home but the message it conveys hasn't got the impact of something like punk... no vocals for one. dubstep is an excellant form of music and is growing by the day but it needs time to grow before comparisons like this are made.

[sick boy]

The things that defined punk were that it was:
a) underground and in retaliation to mainstream culture
b) wishing to be almost entirely independent
c) overtly political and social in its communication

Grime could be seen to have a punk ethic to it on some of these grounds, namely the independent and political nature that it embodies. However, the political nature is obviously from a different angle, as many grime artists are concerned with commercial success.

Also, whereas the music IS by all accounts a reaction to its commercial predecessor of 2 step, I don't think many of the artists really made it this way out of disgust for its poppier grand dad. It is more an alternative to rap, poppy garage etc. than a unified front against it.

Dubstep is definetely not punk. It is mostly independently carried, but has very little political edge, and far more of a social and spiritual one (what with all this "mediatating on bass weight" ideology).

What I think Dubstep is, is a very interesting, very social counterpoint culture to the more aggressive, political nature of grime.

I am a firm believer in the harmony between grime and dubstep. I feel that together they both perfectly represent a social/political culture that many people living in urban centres are a part of.

respect for bothering to tackle the question i guess, but this is so full of holes i barely know where to start.

Well at least take the time to enlighten me then.

[the decoy]

I always thought of it as the new jungle.

[parson]

it is the new jungle

anything else is uncivilized

[stormfield]

the interesting thing is, before punks got record deals and released their tunes, they were listening to reggae... the Don Letts connection

so punk does have a similarity of sorts with dubstep

[mizz]

dubstep's obviously the new jungle

URBAN JUNGLE

[joseph-j]

thread=pointless comparison, but comparing production values of punk (70s) and dubstep (now) is a bit dumb too

it's not like punk was just in the 70s. It has continued on since then. Also, it doesnt matter what technology was availible then and now. There was a lot of amazing music made in the 70's and on. With Punk production though, they just weren't/aren't putting a lot into it, imo.

yeah, lazy bastards, couldn't they be bothered to record in a decent studio and polish their sound properly? why didn't they make an effort like elo or jean michelle jarre or pink floyd? if you don't like punk fair enough but jesus talk about missing the point.

why doesn't it surprise me one bit that some dubstep heads have this attitude? the waste dubstep that's out there atm is waste because it's passion-less, meandering drivel, taking production values over feeling every time.

Totally agreed.

Another day, another waste thread. Dubsteps the new classical, dubsteps the new punk blah blah blah.

1) There are COUNTLESS types of music since punk that have had a DIY ethic. Acid. House. Jungle. Electronica. And on and on and on.

2) Dubstep is good. Very good. But a bit of perspective please. It is not god's fucking gift to mankind as Sick Boy's comments about "perfectly representing a social/political culture" would have you believe.

[joseph-j]

the interesting thing is, before punks got record deals and released their tunes, they were listening to reggae... the Don Letts connection

so punk does have a similarity of sorts with dubstep

Thats like saying dubstep has a connection with UB40.