dubstep and grime

alex bk-bk · Post by **alex bk-bk** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:33 pm

six_foot_dooze wrote:one of the most talented lyrical MC's i know of has to be Purple from Renegade Boys..... listen to his lyrics and they all have meaning, true things, tru topics covered and he keeps it real all the time!

Purple is fucking WEAK !
WACEMAN
just cos man grew a beard doesnt give him the license to say
"purple blowin up like the suicide bomber on the back of the bus"
Renegade Boys are a very confused bunch of boys
I'd much rather listen to kids talk authoritively about what they know than try to politick and embarass themselves GETME

And as for having Skepta spit bars over Anti War Dub at DMZ, its never hapened and never gonna happen so what arey ou complaining about ?!

poax · Post by **poax** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:35 pm

the "so my favourite mc is "thread .

hype is hype, guns shanking and crak pedalling is waste.

for me the aggy mcs is what spelt the end of jungle and shit for me (even tho i was one of them utes spittin aggy shit back then!!) but i cant go to a jam that is made for mcs .mc convention , what loads of guys stannin around all minnaminnaminnamad to spit budabudabudabars, wheres the fuckin deejay!!! music is first ,mic man comes somewhere after that!

alex bk-bk · Post by **alex bk-bk** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:36 pm

ive said to myself i should get off this forum many times but this might be the one to finally wean me off

pshhhhh

dub boy · Post by **dub boy** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:39 pm

[quote="Alex bk-bk"] i just want some fucking hype in the dance

quote]

There's alot to be said for that, I'm in total agreement. That's why the man Pokes is such a star

Mc's.... there's loads of shite ones regardless of genre. Me, I'm a dancehall man so I love a good DEEJAY, but believe me I have listen to a load of gash too. But y'know I think slagging the grime mc's is a bit harsh, some are still doing the business. Wiley's return to form is encouraging for example

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:42 pm

poax wrote:for me the aggy mcs is what spelt the end of jungle

if you listen to the jumping jack frost /mc navigator tapes from the old days, you don't get the aggy vibes at all. it's mostly lyric about being the top man on the road, etc. it's only since 2000 onwards that you get this "i'll cut your throat" vibes in dnb.

poax · Post by **poax** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:43 pm

Alex bk-bk wrote:ive said to myself i should get off this forum many times but this might be the one to finally wean me off

pshhhhh

i hear you , you try not to get drawn in , but then you just get mad and have to voice your opinion innit.
sall bless man, lettoff ya steam blud.

tru dat seck , tru dat.

tronman · Post by **tronman** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:44 pm

can someone call dizzee and stryder and slimzee and tell them to link down fwd for an old skool 8 bar sesh? that would be quality.

colm · Post by **colm** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:44 pm

personally what i like about dubstep is completely zoning, to the point where you realise you haven't said anything or done anything except nod and sway for 5 minutes, and very occasionally getting rowdy when a big tune drops. mc's like crazy and pokes only add to that and i love it.

but double time MCs completely fuck up how i like to listen to dubstep, it totally destroys the spaciousness, which is the whole point for me. not saying it's wrong and i realise it's a different thing to the lyrics vs. rhymes argument, just saying what i like and don't.

Jubz · Post by **Jubz** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:45 pm

That Fwd event at the end was sick with Riko over youngsta. I like that vibe where you got grime and dubstep cross pollinating, equally though I think its necessary to have just dubstep raves ala dmz and also just grime raves but I dont see why they cant happily meet in the middle sometimes.

corpsey · Post by **corpsey** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:48 pm

Alex bk-bk wrote: And as for having Skepta spit bars over Anti War Dub at DMZ, its never hapened and never gonna happen so what arey ou complaining about ?!

I'm not complaining, I'm just saying I can see how certain lyrics wouldn't fit with the whole vibe/ethos of DMZ. Wasn't intending to specifically pick out Skepta.

ms hathaway · Post by **ms hathaway** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:49 pm

seckle wrote: if you listen to the jumping jack frost /mc navigator tapes from the old days, you don't get the aggy vibes at all. it's mostly lyric about being the top man on the road, etc. it's only since 2000 onwards that you get this "i'll cut your throat" vibes in dnb.

i agree with you. getting away from the grime thing for a sec, dont you think this is what has contributed to the downfall of dnb parties? i really cant be bothered with dnb anymore, and the mc's at a show can definitely ruin it for me because of what you pointed out above.

poax · Post by **poax** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:50 pm

definatley , undred%

jample · Post by **jample** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:00 pm

i reckon as someone in a position of power in the dubstep scene you don't need to bring that bad publicity to grime which is a music that is heavily stigmatised already

just cos youre unaware about the talent thats out there doesnt mean you can go around saying things like this. people will listen to you. its irresponsible

how would you like it if people went around saying "dubstep is just slow braindead crack music"
thats just as ignorant as your comments and just as detached from reality

over lyrical emcees would ruin dubstep for me. i think the right grime mcs are touching dubstep, and it takes talent to flow over dubstep. if you go to specific grime events you see djs pulling out quite alot of half step/dubstep, and the crowd love it - there's a lot of respect for dubstep from grime and i'm pretty sick of not seeing it the other way round. the stereotypes about it all being about shanking and crack are as bad as when people do cringey impressions of rap venacular and all they can pull out are things no one really says like 'my bitches'. gross!

spaceboy · Post by **spaceboy** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:05 pm

grime mc's>bring their friends>bring bad vibes sometimes>violence in party>end of rave/scene/brand....face it, the 50 dont like black music doing well...we know that...

i dont think any of you have ever been to raves when it used to be moody...be it dnb or garage...and i mean real moody...

bigup those who did...and no this aint a new old skool v new skool debate.

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:05 pm

ms hathaway wrote:
seckle wrote: if you listen to the jumping jack frost /mc navigator tapes from the old days, you don't get the aggy vibes at all. it's mostly lyric about being the top man on the road, etc. it's only since 2000 onwards that you get this "i'll cut your throat" vibes in dnb.
i agree with you. getting away from the grime thing for a sec, dont you think this is what has contributed to the downfall of dnb parties? i really cant be bothered with dnb anymore, and the mc's at a show can definitely ruin it for me because of what you pointed out above.

i don't see dnb falling down at the moment. some would argue that it's bigger than ever now. it's just become very very polished and dry to me. part of the rawness, of early metalheadz is the equipment limitations back then. samplers had to be run to red, to get those loops. crashing time signatures and pitched snares..etc. now everyone has logic audio, and all the snare drums sound perfect. blah.

mc conrad , my all time favorite dnb mc. strictly positive vibes for over a decade now. never once have you heard him bring uglyness to the dance.

ms hathaway · Post by **ms hathaway** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:11 pm

seckle wrote:
mc conrad , my all time favorite dnb mc. strictly positive vibes for over a decade now. never once have you heard him bring uglyness to the dance.

i like conrad quite a bit as well. i hate to say this, but i find it's more of the american mc's who dont always add to the music. a lot of skeee-bop-a-doodle, saying lame catch phrases over and over and over, and the infamous pretending-to-scratch-with-your-mouth. i enjoy mc's like conrad, fats, dynamite, who were positive and uplifting. i think that nowadays that is few and far between, and it seems everyone is getting caught up in wanting to be "crunk" so to speak

poax · Post by **poax** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:13 pm

jample blood, regardless of my "position of power" i myself do not bring any bad publicity to grime .in another thread someone said that we should all realise the similarities of dubstep and grime , i personally do not see these and hence the thread.
obviously i am giving a worse case scenario , but in all honesty blood im a big man and them types of chat dont motivate me , same as a lot of yank hip hop .
i give grime props in regard to the fact that kids are all doin it for themselves , and have created a massive scene internationally.
this forum is full of people trashing dnb or metal or this or that , its opinions seen.
but if you feel ive been ignorant , educate me blood cos i would like to hear something on a new tip.
sall bless.

forensix (mcr) · Post by **forensix (mcr)** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:15 pm

poax wrote: its opinions seen.

since when have opinions been allowed on here?

mos dan · Post by **mos dan** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:21 pm

jample wrote:how would you like it if people went around saying "dubstep is just slow braindead crack music"

ya get me. "grime is all shanks and guns and youts trying to act tough" is the kind of prejudice the scene gets from the mainstream press fuck's sake, don't need it coming from a sister scene.

as of today i officially give up trying to defend grime to all the haters on here. it's your fucking loss. you can keep your snoozestep i'm going to put crash bandicoot on.

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:30 pm

don't be absurd. there's no dubstep against grime vibes. theres no haters either.

if you start making these divisions then thats your view on it.

if you want to separate the scenes into camps then you're disrespecting everything that rinse.com, darkside, chefal and all the other hardworking people have been doing for years now. without rinsefm none of us would be here talking about grime/dubstep "scenes" at all.

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