Top 5 fav rappers of all time?

hd4000 · Post by **hd4000** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:20 am

right off the top of my head...

1.rakim
2.chuck d
3.big daddy kane
4.krs-1
5.guru

diss04 · Post by **diss04** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:37 pm

if Blu makes one more quality LP then he's in my top 5 instead of Jay Z

2010:

Ghostface Killah
Nas
Notorious BIG
André 3000
Blu

obiwan · Post by **obiwan** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 1:39 pm

1. MF Doom "he did his thing and spoke in the jig slang, translating einstein's theory of the big bang"
2.Nas "they call me nas I'm not your legal type of fella, moet drinking marijuana smoking, street dweller"
3.Ricochet (universal soldiers not K-lash) "selling trippy skink, and i remember feds stripped me once, thinking shit i'm really sunk, stay quiet like 50 monks"
4.Big L "you see corleone ice spinning, jigged out white linen, and if a chick don't like me she must like women, everytime i come around I see your wife grinning don't be mad cos your careers in the ninth inning"
5.Busta Rhymes (Trevor) "hit you with the shit make you feel it all in your toes, hot shit got all my people in wet clothes, styling my metaphors and i formuolate all my flows if you don't know you fucking with lyrical player pros"

godflesh fiend · Post by **godflesh fiend** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 3:04 pm

SAUL WILLIAMS

i will not rhyme on tracks
****** on a chain gang used to do that (Huh!) way back

i will not rhyme over tracks
****** on a chain gang used to do that (Huh!) way back

don't drop the beat on me
don't drop the beat no
ah

i am not the son of sha klak klak
i am before that
i am before
i am before before before death is eternity after death is eternity
there is no death there's only eternity
and i be riding on the wings of eternity like
CLA CLA CLA SHA KLACK KLACK
GET ME THE FUCK OFF THIS TRACK

as if the heart beat wasn't enough
they got us using drum machines now
the hums of the machines
tryin to make our drums humdrums
tryin to ???? our magic
insturments be political prisioners up inside computers
as if the heart were not enough
as if the heart were not enough

and as heart beats bring percussions
fallen trees bring reprocussions
citys play upon our souls like broken drums
redrum the essence of creation from city slums
but city slums mute our drums and our drums become humdrums
cuz city slums have never been where our drums are from
just the place where our daughters and sons become
offbeat heartbeats
slaves to city streets
and hearts get broken and heartbeats stop
broken heartbeats become breakbeats for ****** to rhyme on top, but..

i won't rhyme on top no tracks
****** on a chain gang used to do that (Huh) way back

i won't rhyme over tracks
****** on a chain gang used to do that (Huh) way back

don't drop the beat no
don't drop the beat noooo

not untill you've listen to Rakim on a rocky mountain top
have you heard hip hop
extract the urban element which created it
and let a open wide country side illustrate it
riding in a freight train
in the freezing rain
listening to Coltrane
my reality went insane
and i think i saw Jesus
he was playing hopscotch with Betty Carter
who was cursing him out
in a scat-like gibberish for not saying 'butterfingers'
and my fingers run through grains of sand
like seeds of time
the pains of man
the frames of mind
which built these frames
which is the structure of my urban superstructure
the trains and planes can corrupt and obstruct your planes of thought
so you that forget how to walk through the woods
which ain't good cuz you ain't never walked through the trees
listenin' to nobody beats the biz and you ain't never heard hip hop

and you must stop that damn track from going...
please don't drop the beat
don't drop the beat nooo

and...

i will not rhyme on tracks
****** on a chain gang used to that (huh) way back

don't drop the beat noooo

don't drop the beat no
don't drop the beat no
don't drop the beat
...heartbeat
my heartbeat
goes on
and on
and on...

yeah

godflesh fiend · Post by **godflesh fiend** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 3:09 pm

That's awesome how "successful black men" is the edit.

Classic!

rak'um · Post by **rak'um** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:45 pm

1. 2 Pac - He proberly got me into music and saved me from growing up to be a clueless fuckwitt.

2. Andre 3000 - jest all around amazing

3. Big Pun - The best flow ever

4. Eminem - When he was in his prime nobody was touching him

5 Akala - Proberly the brainest MC of all time and majorly underrated.

godflesh fiend · Post by **godflesh fiend** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 8:45 pm

Rak'um wrote: 4. Eminem - When he was in his prime nobody was touching him

Uh Oh!

I feel a net bruising comin on!!!

Aceyalone raped Eminem in his prime and does so now.

Did anyone ever see the Eminem show over here where he made the fatal mistake of taking on Skinnyman in a battle???? Skinnyman humiliated him.

Eminem has skills though..................but many others out there match him and surpass him pretty easily.

petel · Post by **petel** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 8:58 pm

surprised that Pharoah Monch isn't on anyones so far...probably top for me. Can't think of four more that i'd pick right now lol

rak'um · Post by **rak'um** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 9:28 pm

Godflesh Fiend wrote:
Rak'um wrote: 4. Eminem - When he was in his prime nobody was touching him

Uh Oh!

I feel a net bruising comin on!!!

Aceyalone raped Eminem in his prime and does so now.

Did anyone ever see the Eminem show over here where he made the fatal mistake of taking on Skinnyman in a battle???? Skinnyman humiliated him.

Eminem has skills though..................but many others out there match him and surpass him pretty easily.

Dont get it twisted mate iam not talking about tunes like the real slim shady or toy soilders i mean shit like If I Had and Kill You, The Way Iam.

I would like to see Skinny man battle him got any footage and ive never heard of aceyalone.

Genevieve · Post by **Genevieve** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:47 pm

Rak'um wrote:and ive never heard of aceyalone.

Oh lawd. Oh LAWD.

Ok ok ok ok.

Just get 'All Balls Don't Bounce', it's the best starting point, overall. My favorite song is actually one of his later tracks, 'Takeoff', produced by Rjd2, but yeah, started with 'All Balls..', oh lawd. It's essential. As are the albums follow it.

If you've done that, get the first 'Haiku D'Etat' album.

=|

constrobuz · Post by **constrobuz** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:55 pm

Genevieve wrote:
Rak'um wrote:and ive never heard of aceyalone.
Oh lawd. Oh LAWD.

Ok ok ok ok.

Just get 'All Balls Don't Bounce', it's the best starting point, overall. My favorite song is actually one of his later tracks, 'Takeoff', produced by Rjd2, but yeah, started with 'All Balls..', oh lawd. It's essential. As are the albums follow it.

If you've done that, get the first 'Haiku D'Etat' album.

=|

Genevieve · Post by **Genevieve** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 1:00 am

Constrobuz wrote:
Genevieve wrote:
Rak'um wrote:and ive never heard of aceyalone.
Oh lawd. Oh LAWD.

Ok ok ok ok.

Just get 'All Balls Don't Bounce', it's the best starting point, overall. My favorite song is actually one of his later tracks, 'Takeoff', produced by Rjd2, but yeah, started with 'All Balls..', oh lawd. It's essential. As are the albums follow it.

If you've done that, get the first 'Haiku D'Etat' album.

=|

I take that as a compliment. Senseless hip-hop purism has driven the genre into the ground. ">=0 BACC TO THE OLD SCHOOL" I'd rather be a "backpacker" than someone who's trying to rerecord "Enta Da Stage" a zillion times. Louis Logic said it best "I may not like what what Def Jux are doing, but at least they're doing something different". B-] The past is there where it belongs, the past. All the past classics are great for what they are, but everyone wants to rewrite them. No thanks.

constrobuz · Post by **constrobuz** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 1:24 am

no one is trying to recreate early 90s rap except maybe the p brothers, and their album from 08 was pretty good. also nothing def jux is doing is different. def jux artists are still guys rapping over a 4/4 instrumental with drums and sample, and maybe some synthesized elements. if it can be considered "hip hop" than it isnt different.

Genevieve · Post by **Genevieve** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 1:47 am

Constrobuz wrote:no one is trying to recreate early 90s rap except maybe the p brothers, and their album from 08 was pretty good. also nothing def jux is doing is different. def jux artists are still guys rapping over a 4/4 instrumental with drums and sample, and maybe some synthesized elements. if it can be considered "hip hop" than it isnt different.

You can apply the same formula and get different results. I actually don't think Def Jux is relevant anymore. The time Louis was referring to was in the early/mid '00s when Def Jux was still relevant, I talked to him about his time with the Demigodz, their beef with the Weathermen and why he left the Demigodz crew. I didn't even like most Def Jux at the time (El-P, Mr. Lif, Can Ox, Rjd2 and C-Rayz, they were good, come to mind right now.. not sure about others) and the label interests me even less right now.

While El-P's Fantastic Damage is still rapping over 4/4 hip-hop beats, you won't find many hip-hop beats that have this Godflesh like industrial quality to them.

Basically, it's not the "formula" that matters but how you apply it. I'm really bored of the same way people try to get the hip-hop feel. Most of all, I'd like some people to do something radically different, but if that's not going to happen, I would at least like to see them step outside of the norm on how to achieve it. The reason I fell in love with Buck 65 was because I saw him walk on stage wearing a sailor costume, expressing the words he's saying with his hands as he raps and tell anecdotes and stories in between the songs. I'd heard his songs before but didn't pay much attention, but when I saw him live I got that he's onto something and the songwriting is top notch. No more "throw yo' hands in thee ay'uh" shit or any of those clichés, he proved that you can still be hip-hop and let go of the norm, both musically (as far as sample sources and vocal delivery goes) and in performance.

I don't think that creativity is a must for something to be good, if it sounds good it's good, but right now, I think hip-hop just desperately needs it. There are still some fine releases.. I dug Panacea's "The Scenic Route" in 2007 (DJ Spinna's remix of "Flashback To Stardom" is incredible), but there are far less releases that interest me like that as time passes.

The rapper and the ego of the rapper killed it, basically. Less rapper pweez.

human? · Post by **human?** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 2:44 am

Genevieve wrote: KRS-One's lyrical skills are weak and his flow is inconsistent. I still remember that diss track towards Nelly and his lines were pathetic. Really amateur.

lol. he absolutely destroyed nelly, maybe you should go listen to that one again, shit was deep...

only thing KRS lacks sometimes, for the period post KRS-ONE and before that album with Marley Marl... is beats...

favorites?

Aceyalone
KRS-One
Orko Eloheim
Kool Keith
Nas

my favorite writers & flows... style alone & writing alone is a different list..

Genevieve · Post by **Genevieve** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 3:48 am

human? wrote:lol. he absolutely destroyed nelly, maybe you should go listen to that one again, shit was deep...

We will be here for ever and ever and ever
While you'll be over by next September

human? · Post by **human?** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 4:29 am

you just too stupid to see
i was made on the streets, you were made on mtv
how you gonna talk about my nose to attack me?
when you steady guzzlin them pills for your acne
my nose comes from a line of kings
your acne comes from you eatin the wrong things

took what dude said about him, flipped it, exposed his whole bullshit, and still managed to stay the Teacher....

murdered him.

krs has no doubt had better moments lyrically, but id even say he decided to dumb that one down conceptually to make sure idiots who listen to nelly could understand....

godflesh fiend · Post by **godflesh fiend** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 10:38 am

As an Aceyalone fiend from waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back his ESSENTIAL albums are "All Balls Don't Bounce", "A Book Of Human Language" (my fav album of all-time), "Accepted Ecelctic" & "Love & Hate". I'd say his weakest albums although they still had some killer shit on them were his RJD2 collaboration on "Magnificent City" and his last effort "Lightening Strikes".

Here's a cut from Acey's "Accepted Eclectic" album called "Golden Mic"...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7KgWkAXTZk

The other ESSENTIAL albums are Freestyle Fellowship's first two albums "To Whom It May Concern" and "Inner City Griots".......that is where Aceyalone started in the business.......Freestyle Fellowship were the coolest Hip Hop group around imo. The Haiku albums are awesoem too but they have nothing on the Freestyle Fellowship ones.

Aceyalone is releasing a new album at the end of March with the Lonely Ones which is a kind of Doo Wop Bee Bop Hip Hop kind of effort. From what I've heard on his myspace I really like the cuts so far......they're very fun sounding and different.

I LOVE Aceyalone and Rak'um you should definately delve into his stuff that I mentioned. As a beginner and an Eminem fan in particular I'd suggest "Accepted Eclectic" & his Freestyle Fellowship album "Inner City Griots" followed by "All Balls Don't Bounce" and "Love & Hate".

As for the Skinnyman/Eminem battle I'd love to see some footage too if anyone can find it. It went down when Eminem had Skinnyman supporting him.....I believe 8 Mile hadn't been out too long and Skinnyman was releasing or had just released "Council Estate Of Mind". When I saw Skinnyman a few months later up here in Edinburgh he blew me away. His freestyling was out of this world.

slugabed · Post by **slugabed** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 11:53 am

KOOL KEITH

godflesh fiend · Post by **godflesh fiend** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 12:36 pm

PITMAN!!

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