Amen Break

[rak'um]

Dont know if this has been posted before but i found it really intesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=e ... SaFTm2bcac

Safe

[DZA]

yea seen this shit before is rather interesting

[surface_tension]

Interesting and ultimately depressing.

For me at least it represents the loss of original thinking in music. I understand that most of the time you're going to be using aspects of something that came before to get a new product...

but to use an original product to create a product marketable more or less solely BECAUSE of that sample is a bit waste IMO. Imagine if people got paid every time that the Amen was used. The Winston's probably would be a lot more than an underground phenomenon... we'd probably be able to name more than 2 of their tunes as well.

There's been good to come from it, but ultimately this outlines how unoriginal musicians of today are. I wonder when the last original break was produced... certainly not recently.

[d-T-r]

Interesting and ultimately depressing.

For me at least it represents the loss of original thinking in music. I understand that most of the time you're going to be using aspects of something that came before to get a new product...

but to use an original product to create a product marketable more or less solely BECAUSE of that sample is a bit waste IMO. Imagine if people got paid every time that the Amen was used. The Winston's probably would be a lot more than an underground phenomenon... we'd probably be able to name more than 2 of their tunes as well.

There's been good to come from it, but ultimately this outlines how unoriginal musicians of today are. I wonder when the last original break was produced... certainly not recently.

i think u think too much.

its just like recycling materials for re-use. yeah its nice to make original stuff also but remembef if it wasnt fro breaks like the amen, half the shit today (any genre 2step) wouldnt be anywhere near as choppy and mashed.

spread some good vibes,skank out and enjoy the groove, irrespective of the groove sound.


listen to music with your soul instead of your mind.

[pk-]

or your wallet

[Genevieve]

Interesting and ultimately depressing.

For me at least it represents the loss of original thinking in music. I understand that most of the time you're going to be using aspects of something that came before to get a new product...

but to use an original product to create a product marketable more or less solely BECAUSE of that sample is a bit waste IMO. Imagine if people got paid every time that the Amen was used. The Winston's probably would be a lot more than an underground phenomenon... we'd probably be able to name more than 2 of their tunes as well.

There's been good to come from it, but ultimately this outlines how unoriginal musicians of today are. I wonder when the last original break was produced... certainly not recently.

Depends on how you use the Amen. It's not like every Amen tune sounds the same.

My absolutely favorite song is pretty original when it comes to Amen abuse: link

I make breakcore and I've started using different breaks and drum solos, cutting them up instead of the Amen just to do something different.. there's just something lacking. The sound of the Amen snare is just beautiful and nothing just sounds quite as aggressive or exotic like an Amen. There's a reason, beyond laziness or lack of creativity, for why people use the Amen.

[surface_tension]

or your wallet

I do bruv. Good call though, ultimately the best way to show approval or disapproval for something is to support it or not support it. I agree.

[pk-]

so you're suggesting that the reason the winstons made fuck all else of any lasting impact was that nobody paid them for amen samples?

[surface_tension]

so you're suggesting that the reason the winstons made fuck all else of any lasting impact was that nobody paid them for amen samples?

I'm saying that if their name was listed in the credits of every release that sampled from them, more people would have heard of them and ultimately perhaps would have purchased their records at larger ratios... maybe the records they made would have had more impact.

That doesn't imply that they'd have made different records, just that the others they made would have potentially been bought and heard on a much larger scale. As it stands, unless you're an audiophile, you've heard the break 5000 times in your life and never known who the Winstons were. For having such a cultural impact as they did for us, on the whole, they didn't move too many units under their own name.

It's depressing that the only people who really know who the fuck the Winstons are, are producers and the assorted audiophiles who dig for breaks. Otherwise, they're nobody to you.

[Genevieve]

People who'd care enough to hear where the break is from would go through the lengths to find it themselves, anyway. Those credits wouldn't make much of a difference.

[Pallms]

Yeah I saw that video a while back... it's pretty interesting to watch.

[surface_tension]

People who'd care enough to hear where the break is from would go through the lengths to find it themselves, anyway. Those credits wouldn't make much of a difference.

Where would you go to find out where the break comes from? Certainly you could go looking for it, but where?

The original artist deserves a lot more credit than the guy who stole the idea.

[constrobuz]

Where would you go to find out where the break comes from? Certainly you could go looking for it, but where?

... record stores?

[alexchuck]

who the hell samples it nowadays when you can create it from scratch in ANY sequencer?

amen break is alright, but it's not the only one. don't you people forget about "apache break", "funky drummer break", etc..

turning this into a legal issue? i vote NO THANKS, YOU FAIL.

PS: ppl who care enough about music will do the research and find out its name. other ppl just want to listen and chug acid. you can't impose cultural values to ppl

PPS: i listened to some other winstons tunes and i wasn't impressed. you don't need legislative help to pass the test of time. james brown made it by himself, without ppl engraving "I sampled the funky drummer break" on the back of their records

[Genevieve]

People who'd care enough to hear where the break is from would go through the lengths to find it themselves, anyway. Those credits wouldn't make much of a difference.

Where would you go to find out where the break comes from? Certainly you could go looking for it, but where?

The original artist deserves a lot more credit than the guy who stole the idea.

*signs up at a drum n bass forum*

*starts thread*

"Hey.. those.. drums that are in almost all dnb tunes? Where are those from?"

*awaits reply*

[surface_tension]

Where would you go to find out where the break comes from? Certainly you could go looking for it, but where?

... record stores?

It may take you 30 years with your portable turntable of digging to MAYBE happen upon the break. Otherwise, how will you know what the name of the record is you're looking for?

[constrobuz]

Where would you go to find out where the break comes from? Certainly you could go looking for it, but where?

... record stores?

It may take you 30 years with your portable turntable of digging to MAYBE happen upon the break. Otherwise, how will you know what the name of the record is you're looking for?

no it wouldnt. it took less than 10 years for someone to find the "nas is like" sample from some christian 10", i dont think it would take someone that long to find a soul/funk record from the 60s.

[human?]

I wonder when the last original break was produced... certainly not recently.

dude, theres still a huge funk & soul scene... and the groups are even more aware nowadays of the importance of the break and really kill it...

moar listening plz






i have 6 copies of amen brother 45s.. one is a white label radio promo & 2 have original metromedia sleeves lol...

its a pretty common record, color him father was huge on the billboards, the a side is a hit....




its not so much dance music where they should be paid for the sample, moreso commericials and whatnot... unfortunately g.c. coleman the drummer passed away a few years ago...



and as a totaly random note, the dude who recorded and engineered the record, also mixed Soulja Boy's Crank Dat...

[caeraphym]

http://www.constructingtheuniverse.com/ ... %20GR.html

[datura]

so you're suggesting that the reason the winstons made fuck all else of any lasting impact was that nobody paid them for amen samples?

I'm saying that if their name was listed in the credits of every release that sampled from them, more people would have heard of them and ultimately perhaps would have purchased their records at larger ratios... maybe the records they made would have had more impact.

That doesn't imply that they'd have made different records, just that the others they made would have potentially been bought and heard on a much larger scale. As it stands, unless you're an audiophile, you've heard the break 5000 times in your life and never known who the Winstons were. For having such a cultural impact as they did for us, on the whole, they didn't move too many units under their own name.

It's depressing that the only people who really know who the fuck the Winstons are, are producers and the assorted audiophiles who dig for breaks. Otherwise, they're nobody to you.

The record that was sampled was about 20 years old and the band had long since stopped recording by the time that the few seconds of one of their records got sampled. It was not the melody, or hook, it was a fill in drum break.

They have actually got a lot more attention because of this than they probably deserve as they didn't have a great back catalogue. Sampling has actually resurrected the careers of a some bands/composers - David Axelrod, Galt MacDermott, etc, and has led to re-releases of the back catalogues of these artists and new compilations etc.

There is enough information around these days on the internet if you wish to find out which track sampled what and you can do your own 'virtual' digging if you wish. http://www.the-breaks.com/